Topic awaiting preservation: Thinking Wiki, recommendations?

I've been thinking Wiki for awhile. A place to dump various parts of my brain without having to think too hard about code and things.
Courtesy of Asylumite You-Know-Who, looks like it will happen.

Access to PHP and 1 MySQL DB.
Should be more than enough to handle a Wiki.

Started kind of poking around:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines

(I grabbed a stand-alone for my own local amusement.)

As far as features, I'm not entirely sure.
Being able to dump graphics in one directory and just use (img)mygraphic.jpg(/img) would be nice.
Maybe easy internal linking of some sort.

Not sure about public editing.
Personally, I'm very untrusting.

I don't know.
I'm up for some ideas, thoughts, recommendations, and things.

edit:

Ahh!
I'm 2 minutes late with e-mail.

This post can be largely ignored.
Or not.
I'll be back later...

(Edited by warjournal on 01-05-2005 22:30)

well, you could get the grail.

As I said to Mr Mabry only today:

A wiki is a relatively crude tool (I know: people in glass houses.......) with some fairly standard sting replacements and regular expressions. The important thing is the planning and thought (the philosphy of a Wiki) you put into it before opening it up. A lot of things will marge organically but you do need to have an idea of formatting, structure, etc. before you start and before you let people in it is wise to sketch out a general structure and do a number of entries in detail so people can follow by your example.

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if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

I completely agree with Emperor; however, good planning is a requirement for any successful process.

I also recommend PmWiki if you can't get the grail.

Went with MediaWiki.
Suitable.

Thank you, JKM.
And the rest ah ya'll.

After I do the dishes, I'm going to get busy with some node mapping.

hahaaa, node mapper

If you find another you'd rather use, now's the time to decide! I just bunged up mediawiki cuz it runs wikipedia which I use alot and I find it a pleasant user experience. No sweat whatever man!

Yeah, node mapping. I think there was song about it.
The chroma node is connected to the... hue node.
The hue node is connected to the... sat node.

Ah, makes me miss Lisp.
Screw Pascal!

Actually, the Grail would be cool.
There is one little thing that I really like about the Grail - but I'm not telling.
Nyah!

Plus it's a system that I'm already familiar with.

TP, care to hook up JKM with the Grail?
Or, JKM, care to hook up TP with the account?
Or you can try ferrying stuff through me.
Whichever way, I am mucho appreciative.

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Tyberius Prime said:

well, you could get the grail.

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Is it possible to download and use the grail? I had always thought it to be open source, but I've never seen a page where it could actually be downloaded.

It is indeed open source, but not public open source.

Meaning you have to holler to anyone who has access to the Subversion repository.

So anyway you please, I can drop a zip off at Jk, or upload the whole thing to some account,
or maybe JK wants to directely subversion it onto the server.
Set up help is promised. It's not difficult, but slightly undocumented.

So long,

->Tyberius Prime

Which reminds me... weren't we planning to set up a home for the Grail some 12 months ago, TP?
Seems we got slightly distracted by some thing or other.
If hosting is a problem it isn't as I could do that. Need to think up a cool domain name.
=)

TP, if wj says Grail over mediawiki I say go to town! (just delete files and drop the db contents and start over) wj has the ftp/db details and that would cut out the middle man (me). If you need a middle man for some reason tho, let me know, not a problem.

So when you say "grail" you're talking about *this* entire environment? Forum FAQ and basically all we see here? I think you should brace yourself for incoming ZIP requests

"Grail"'s everything you're seeing here, yup. Forum, FAQ, Archives and the rest are all modules you can combine or leave out as you wish.

yeah. All this. Plus a couple modules more that are not used at the asylum.
At work, I also have modules for 'people/in on what weekdays', bugtracking, and so on. But those are not open source ;-(.
Nevertheless, the system is flexible, quite stylable (not difficult. Not trivial, but not difficult), and available for anyone who asks.

Kuckus: Well, I never seem to have enough time to design such things. If you mean stella... well, great start, but time just keeps on slipping.
WJ: I'll try to catch you on q. If that's not an option, use the Asylum mailing system to drop me a line.

so long,

->Tyberius Prime

Hrm, I'd like to get a copy of grail. I love this system.

Thanks.

Yeah, I too would love to tinker with this code. Why not set up a savannah acoount for the grail? Surely making it more public could allow it to evolve faster. And of all the opensource CMS, forums, and WIKIs out there this one is surely my favorite. =)

TP, you mentioned subversion repository.

at the moment i am about to pick a versioning system for a big project and i heard that subversion is far better than CVS. is that true? what are your experiences with it?
are you running the repository on an online server or just on your machine?
can i install the subversion server on a dreamhost account?

Grumble: I take Subversion any time over CVS. CVS is really a c wrapper around some old old shell scripts, and it shows. I've rarly had problems with subversion (and I am a heavy user. I've had repositories with 1000s of commits, repositories containing serveral gigabytes of code + graphics...). Some earlier versions were dead slow if used in combination with our companie's virus scan - but it's definatly the virus scan.
Compared to CVS, Subversion is designed a whole lot better. Atomic commits are a god send (no half commited changes any more.).

I'm running it on my own dedicated server, behind apache. You probably won't be able to run it on a dreamhost account, since it requires an apache module. There are serveral subversion hosters out there.

Schitzoboy & Adreaus:
I am perfectly happy with the grail being non-public open source. Call me political incorrect, but I'm fine with just a small group profiting from it.
So if you want a copy, drop me a mail. If you already have, wait for a reply. There is a whole bunch of mails sitting in my inbox - I was offline for the weekend.

So long,

->Tyberius Prime

thanks for the info.

i really would like to use it, but since i dont have an online server to run it on, it doesnt make much sense for me.

are any of these subversion hosters you mentioned free too? (and reliable?)

and do you work with the commandline client or do you use any other?

edit: just seen the list of hosters at http://subversion.tigris.org/project_links.html but the free ones seem to think open source.



(Edited by GRUMBLE on 01-09-2005 19:11)

http://www.cvsdude.org is free, 2 mb, one user, no Open source requirement.
Never used them, can't tell you anything about their reliablity.
Then again, an empty subversion repository takes about 1.6mb all by itself, so it's really just a very very basic offer.

Really, you don't want 'free' hosting. You have code in there, it probably is worth some money to you.
I mean I could easily offer you an account for 'free', but you'd get what you pay for. I am not in a position to offer
any kind of hosting - I'm liable to reset my server at any moment, with or without backup.
JKMabry is offering some basic hosting on a dreamhost machine - maybe he could be interested in doing something like this.

Personally, I use the explorer integration TortoiseSVN most of the time.
But then, I am an explorer guy (though it integerates nicely with total commander and the like, since they display explorer context menues).
Sometimes, I fall back to the command line client - most of the time, when I have a task suited to a scripting approach ('add any file starting with a even number, kind of thing).
You can also use tortoise locally, without any subversion server at all. Just create a repository somewhere and use file:///yourPath as the URL.

so long,

->Tyberius Prime

ok, thanks ill think about it.

yeah, 2MB is way too few.