Topic: Skaarjj, just ask any jurist: I AM FOR REAL

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

InI, I'm not trying to shut you up becuase I don't think you're for real. I'm quite happy for you to open as many threads on here as you want so long as you don't consider with this threatening nad disruptive behaviour, but consider this: What you are doing here constitutes harassing and threatening behaviour. We hold the right to ban you or close your threads on those grounds. If we didn't, why are we here? You disrupt the smooth running of this board by your actions, and as such your legal argument enters shaky ground becuase it is terribly difficult to sue someone for actions that you yourself precipitated. Also, try reading the agreement you entered into when you signed up to this site. You agree not to be rude, threatening, harassing or otherwise disruptive. You have violated this. As I previously stated, in the past we have removed all contributions made by a member at that member's request. Have you tried actually asking? What I have seen so far tells me no. You demand, you threaten, but you do not ask.

Anyway, are you willing to incur the cost of suing an unknown number of nameless people? You cannot subpoena us by username or IP address.. .the law only makes provisions for listing us by our real names, none of which you actually hold in any tangible form.

Also, would you care to show examples of how we infringe on your copyrights or intellectual property? You claim we violate your rights by preventing you from wiping out everything you've said. I counter that by claiming that you're infringing on the intellectual property of a large number of people by having us remove them, especially whatever you may have added to the FAQ. Those things in the FAQ are no lomnger yours, but are the property of all, thoughts, ideas and words freely given over, that others are thne free to play around with and alter. You infringe on their right by demanding that these be taken away becuase by doing that we potentially take away what they have said too. The same thing applies to threads you have posted in.

If you believe what you have written here to be your intellectual property, then so be it, but you must also accept then that what others have written is also their intellectual property. That intellectual property is derived as a response from what you have written, by taking away what you have said you infringe this intellectual property copyright by removing the basis that their words are founded on. What right do you think you have, even under law, to do such a thing?

I personally don't think you actually have any legal grounds here and are simply looking for new and interesting ways to lash out at people. And yes, I am seeing this as an outburt, becuase that is all it is. You are clearly not thinking rationally, you are not actually listening to what people have said and you fail to see where you are going wrong in what you are saying. Your stubborn insistance that you are right in all things here and lack of willingness to see this from anyone else's point of view tells me that an outburst, an irrational action made by an irrationally angry person, is all this is.

I am going ot propose that your account be banned from here, since it's obviously what you want anyway, however unless I am overruled (which is possible) or things severely change, your posts and faq entries will remain where they are. You do not have a valid legal argument, since you cannot prove how we impinge upon your ability to use what is contained here for commercial gain or claim it to be out own work. You cannot prove these things since we are not doing them. You may as well say that a passerby who refuses to forget the words to a speech you made in a public forum is impinging on your intellectual property.

And as for me staying out of topic, if you feel you have aright to accuse all and sundry, I also have a right to respond. I personally think that you are a sad individual, that you feel you need to threaten legal action over something this small and petty, over something that is, in the end, nothing. Nothing at all. You need help, I suggest you wake up to yourself and seek it. You will emerge a happier person, believe me.


Justice 4 Pat Richard

Just a quick note to say I will now be blocking your email address.

I explained in my reply to you where I think you stand legally (i.e. you don't have a leg to stand on) and morally (ditto) and suggested a compromise.

As explained I am uninterested in a debate and/or threats and abuse.

Although I have no authority around these parts anymore you appear intent on dragging me into this (emailing me out of the blue) so I will speak to the Doc and TP about resolving this matter although I still believe they are within their rights to tell you to stop whining and sling your hook.

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if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

besides all that removing all your stuff is work, you're demanding in a very rude way, that someone you've lambasted now turn around and do you a personal favor involving no small amount of work, and *that* proves you've lost touch with reality again =)

I thought that was an interesting point that no one had brought up. I am lazy so it was a natural conclusion for me to draw

InI - cheers man, I hope you're happy again soon

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

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I am responding to the people who dared to bring law on the table

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You must be responding to yourself then. You are the first one who has actually mentioned law:

The first time

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this word has been mentioned:
As for the Wikki, I think that being hosted in... is it hosted in the US? I need to know, I'll get documented about the local laws and if there is material I can remove, I'll remove it.

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The most explicit example

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My lawyer is formal: by agreeing to take the responsibilities of my words here, I also have deposited a copyright.
I am european, and I do have representatives in the US too. So don't even go there with that, I have expressed and restated my will,
don't don't go on the warpath.

You're already past the given deadline, already refused to settle on an agreement and give me a deadline, and therefore have added charges to my lawsuit, if need be.

And there's not much you can do to prevent me from using a robot to press "edit/delete" instead of me as my posting rights allow me to do,
legally, morally, and technically: that robot would be my representative here, build and authorised by me.

Hurry up instead of adding fuel to my fire.

(Edited by InI on 02-04-2005 15:08)

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Stop that shit now

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Just a note:

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...and denying to me the right to see my posts deleted:

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You have no such "right". Not in the slightest.

Period.

Ta ta

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

you have been unbanned from my q this morning ini.
And you could have used the e-mail form in my profile.

I have not heard back from Kevin. He's probably still sound asleep, the time zone difference being what it is.
Till then, go ahead run your bot.
But you won't be able to delete anything that's older than four days - that's the limit even for Mad Scientist.

I have taken the liberty of temporarily removing your MS privileges - until the Doc either confirms or denies this.


No, go to a lawyer. A real lawyer. Tell him your case. I urge you too. See what he's got to say about it.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

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due to the fact I always have had the right to delete them,

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No, you haven't.

psots cannot be edited after a certain point, and as TP just pointed out, mods cannot delete posts after 4 days.

your silly longwindedness is tiresome - shit or get off the pot.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

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InI said:

The first time is Emperor's mail: I'll let Emperor post it if he dares to restate his allegations about my bot.
I want a deadline, and I want it now, or another discussion with TP on icq for him to give it directly to me.

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You posted what kimson quoted on:

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02-03-2005 18:46

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My reply to your email is:

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2/4/2005 1:58:35 AM

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I only mentioned your legal standpoint because you had raised the issue first.

In your first email (which I will be quite happy to post here if you wish) spoke of running a script to do what TP had failed to do. Now that seemed to me, when combined with a deadline to sort it out beofre you took action, as a threat to hack the forum. You now claim you meant a bot I'm not a mind reader (thank God) and I can't tell what your actual intentions are/were especially if you were not making yourself clear.

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Emps

The Emperor dot org | Justice for Pat Richard | FAQs: Emperor | Site Reviews | Reception Room

if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

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InI said:

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his
'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past
and future. Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

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Ah well it appears to be a moot point now.

InI: I do hope you eventually find some kind of peace.

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Emps

The Emperor dot org | Justice for Pat Richard | FAQs: Emperor | Site Reviews | Reception Room

if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

Talking about peace... I say "death to this thread!"


Justice 4 Pat Richard