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ah, yes. well, with the div back in, there is this - http://in-dented.com/temp/wes.html (updated file) works perfect in FF, slightly more space between the gold border and the table in IE. If that extra space is too much...then I'm out of ideas. It is definately odd how many things don't work that should... I agree on the default issue. It's the default on current browsers at the moment...but that doesn't mean anything in the long run. [url=http://in-dented.com/sigs.html][img]http://www.in-dented.com/sigs/knot_sig_32.gif[/img][/url]
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