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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

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5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

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Briggl has a very could point.
But personally, I could careless how old the world is.
Bottom line is, the earth is here, I am alive on it, and someday it will end. Nothing I can do so why bother worring about how old it is. Whether it's two gnereations old or five billion years old nothing can be gained from celebrating the earth's birthday can it?

"When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit."

Of course! Who gives a shit, right? Might as well be stuck with catholic idea on the earth being center of the universe, why go further? Ahh those silly scientists, nobody cares anyway...

It is not even that cut and dry.

Many do not give a shit.
Mant do give a shit.

Even more are somewhere in between.

The problems that come about are when the two on the opositie ends start to clash.

It is age old and it is always those who do not want to see things change and those who want to see infinately more change. There will always be a swing in the balance, but progress is inevitable, there is no way to stop it. Its evolution man.

Dan @ Code Town

Briggl, and D-man for that matter, I would prefer you not post things from evil Bible on this forum. I think it is a derogatory website equitable to those against blacks, homosexuals, and other groups.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

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*giggles*

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Briggl, and D-man for that matter, I would prefer you not post things from evil Bible on this forum. I think it is a derogatory website equitable to those against blacks, homosexuals, and other groups.

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Hooboy!

I see nothing derogatory being said.

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The sheep shows it's true colours.

I believe may another few sites he will 'prefer not be posted'. My, what an aversion to reality these sort display.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

It is only derogitory towards idiots, and that spans all races and creeds.

Dan @ Code Town

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Briggl, and D-man for that matter, I would prefer you not post things from evil Bible on this forum. I think it is a derogatory website equitable to those against blacks, homosexuals, and other groups.

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And you belittle the problems faced by every one of those groups by saying such a load of horseshit.

Gideon, you should give this forum a shot = http://www.rr-bb.com/

It's all holy and such, it has got all the rules you have been hoping for. Which inlude "no vulgarities", "no blasphemy", and the best rule of all :

"No cultic material - If the leader of your group just happens to be a god, you might be edging into the cultic category." <-- Wow...

Oh my! It's Gid!

Gideon, are you against humor as well as everyting else you are against?

Obviously! Humor is a tool of the devil designed to beguile those of faith into the fruitful fields that are sin!

Dan @ Code Town

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Be fair - you can't blame Gid for taking it personally. It is almost as if they know Gid personally!

Edit: clarity.

(Edited by White Hawk on 08-29-2005 18:40)

Gideon,
I know where your coming from but I also know you read Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury. When we ignore things (by choosing what links are allowed) we get into trouble. Evil grows just as easily in the sunlight as it does in the darkness, in fact it grows better in the darkness. Also It is a link, you have the choice to click on it or not.

Gideon is not against humor he just has a very strange sense of it.

"When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit."

No, Sangreal, I am against humor totally. I am not a funny guy. I hate to laugh. I despise all things humorous. (I don't know if I could say this without laughing)

There will be no fun ore jokes around me. Any other jokes are okay, but no fun ore jokes.

I did read Farenheit 451, and it was a great book. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as total liberty, or total rights. There is always a gov't there willing to reduce some rights to make room for protection, plus there is the problem of resposibility. I know that there are already a few subject matters and consequentially websites that are banned officially or unofficially on this site.

I have no power or authority to ban that site from this forum, nor would I want to. However, I would like those who quote that site to know that many things on there are hurtful to certain members who frequent this forum.

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Briggl, and D-man for that matter, I would prefer you not post things from evil
Bible on this forum. I think it is a derogatory website equitable to those
against blacks, homosexuals, and other groups.

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And you belittle the problems faced by every one of those groups by
saying such a load of horse****.

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How in the world do I belittle their problems by saying that a website that is anti-Christian is just as bad as an anti-Black or anti-Homosexual web site?

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

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How in the world do I belittle their problems by saying that a website that is anti-Christian is just as bad as an anti-Black or anti-Homosexual web site?

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Because EvilBible.com is not expressing HATE, Gid.

It is that simple. It is ridicule, yes. One could even say, it is an affront to those who deeply believe.

But by no means, is it equal to a website that is expressing hate against Blacks, Homosexuals, etc.

EvilBible is critically examining the Bible - and using this to build the ridicule on. It does not do so, soley based on color or sexual preference.

And that is a huge difference.

Gideon - if you can't understand the VAST difference, and if you can't understand how blatantly self-centered and ignorant your statement is, no amount of explanation from me will help.

It's absurd that you would compare a site that offers a critical look at the bible and organized religion, which comes to anti-christian conclusions based on people's actions and words, to the idea of racism.

I can only hope that at some point it what I said clicks for you...

I don't really think it is that simple.

Are the authors of EvilBible expressing hate? Maybe, maybe not. Hate comes in different forms; it means different things to different people. Does anything they say point towards a word as harsh as hate? I don't think so, but that is by my definition.

You said so yourself that it was at least ridicule that EvilBible professes towards those who believe.

That website is definitely not equitable to a site expressing all out hate towards a minority group (including Christianity), since I don't see hate. The website is, however, derogatory and offensive towards Christianity. There are also many, many websites out there that are derogatory and offensive towards minority groups. It is at least equitable to them.

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WebShaman said:

EvilBible is critically examining the Bible - and using this to build the
ridicule on. It does not do so, soley based on color or sexual preference.

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So, if I were to critically examine aspects of a minority group and thus use those aspects to build ridicule, would a website of that nature be okay to support? Like say affirmative action? I know that my father has expressed deep concern about affirmative action before, and I believe that contributes to his distrust of those who are not white. By your standards, is that justified?

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

Sorry DL, I think we posted at the same time. That first post was for WS.

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DL-44 said:

It's absurd that you would compare a site that offers a critical look at the
bible and organized religion, which comes to anti-christian conclusions based on
people's actions and words, to the idea of racism.

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What is racism then DL? Is racism black and white (sorry the pun), or is there a huge gray area? Is racism just hatred of another race, or are there different facets to it? Do all who are racist arive at racism because their parents were that way, or did they take a critical look at a certain race, and come to the conclusion of dislike and distrust based on the stereotypes of that race, or even past experiences? I would like to argue that what this website does is no different from racism.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

I don't think I have posted this one before; http://www.cygnus-study.com/

I expect Gid won't like it either. Too bad they can't burn the internet.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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I would like to argue

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I'd rather not
Argue away, but it doesn't make your point any closer to being valid.
Had you ever suffered any of the hate-based attacks that you are trying to equate this site to, you might understand.
You should be able to understand without having experienced it first hand. Like I said, I can only hope that one day you will - and that you feel like an ass for ever trying to equate these two very different things.

Let us take a look at Racism :

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# Racism is hating or disliking a group of people based on the color of their skin.&#148;
# &#147;Making assumptions about people based on their race.&#148;
# &#147;Intolerance or prejudice against another race.&#148;
# &#147;Violence towards others based on race differences.&#148;
&#147;Judging a person based on his or her race.&#148;

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Soooo...is EvilBible.com doing such? No.

So - Critical Thinking (a process of evaluation) :

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Critical thinking is a mental process of analyzing or evaluating information, particularly statements or propositions that are offered as true. It is a process of reflecting upon the meaning of statements, examining the offered evidence and reasoning, and forming judgments about the facts.

Such information may be gathered from observation, experience, reasoning, or communication. Critical thinking has its basis in intellectual values that go beyond subject matter divisions and include: clarity, accuracy, precision, evidence, thoroughness and fairness.

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I would hope that is enough for you, Gid, to understand the yawning gap of difference between the two.

trying... trying... can't resist...

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# ......... is hating or disliking a group of people based on their beliefs.
# Making assumptions about people based on their beliefs.
# Intolerance or prejudice against another belief.
# Violence towards others based on differences in beliefs.
# Judging a person based on his or her beliefs.

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It fits so very well with hard core religious believers...
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It fits so very well with hard core religious believers...

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Exactly, pretty well everyone of those quotes spoke of or hinted at the short shrift which would be given those who did not conform if these fools had their way.

Dumbya hissownbadsef has been quited as saying aetheists should not be considered citizens.

Hell, if he disenfranchised all of them and could make it stick, the population of the US would likely be halved.

I mean, if y'all were done at the bar with Bubba and the boys and in a fit of honesty, declared you didn't believe in god, just how long do you think you'd feel welcome in town?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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Dumbya hissownbadsef has been quited as saying aetheists should not be considered citizens.

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Just an FYI, it was poppa Bush who said that.

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No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
-- George H. W. Bush (more info)

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www.AmericanSerf.us

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be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.-- George H. W. Bush (more info)

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And this delicious man believes he is a Christian then?
You know, here are a few things I have noticed in my life:

1) Pastors in my village have A LOT of money; they can buy themselves a brand new Mercedes van every year, when my parents have always had to stick to bottom range second hand cars.
2) Pastors and their family live in very big houses, with a big garden, in the middle of the village (close to all accomodations
3) If you go to church EVERY Sunday you're fine, if you go now and then because you think you just FEEL LIKE doing so you are not fine at all; you should be going every week. Otherwise you're not a real one and as soon as you leave the church you're being slagged off by people who think they're the "pure ones", the ones whoe go every bloody Sunday...

And this is to mention aonly but a few things.

Christianity was not a bad religion in the first place, we probably almost all agree on this; I am myself a non-practicant Christian, and I found many very interesting things in this religion. I also believe in what is probably very close to our christian God. BUT I have never EVER appreciated going to Church, for the one and only reason that the frequent church-goers are the hugest bunch of hypocrite people I have ever met in my life.

This was exactly my point: Christianity is the most selfish, arrogant and sneaky bloody religion I know. Or maybe should I say Christians are.

Other point I would like to mention: according to the whole story then, the Bible is a 2000 years old book. Fair enough. It's been written in Hebrew, then translated into about every language known on earth. How, please, tell me How the hell can you possibly stick word for word to our modern translations? I cannot believe our modern English or French or Italian translations are actually in any point what they meant with the original Hebrew version. Also, our culture has changed so much since then, and we cannot even understand the way people live thousands of miles from us RIGHT NOW; How can you possibly take the Holy Bible for the Words of God? Even if it was there, I cannot imagine it is still the case now. I would love it to be, but let's be realistic for once, it CANNOT be.

In that way, EvilBible has a fairly good point.

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(Edited by kimson on 09-08-2005 12:32)

(Edited by kimson on 09-08-2005 15:59)

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e Bible is a 2000 years old book. Fair enough. It's been written in Hebrew, then translated into about every language known on earth.

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err... Actually Old Testament is over 4000 years old, which was written during Jewsh rebelions against neighboring nations and deities etc.

NT was written in several laguages in different places, which include Greek, Aramic, and possibly hebrew(not sure) but the point is there was little to no concistancy in writing of those books.

I have to say I did not bother to look for exact facts, as it was not that important, in my opinion, to get my point...
But thank you indeed for the information Rusky

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Ruski said:

which was written during Jewsh rebelions against neighboring nations and deities
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There we go... It sounds it was written in the same circumstances and for the same reasons than Roman mythology was created, the purpose of which was to validate their own culture against the Greeks', and get hold on the Greek "religion". How come Christians chose to follow the Bible rather than Roman mythology then? I am being funny, and this may sound silly, but there is really something I do not get, and I would very much appreciate your points of view.

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Thanks for the correction Ram, Dumby begat Dumbya and it shows.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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How come Christians chose to follow the Bible rather than Roman mythology then?

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The original followers of Christ were Jews, so of course their religion grew from that. Originally, to become Christians, people of other faiths had to convert to Judaism. Paul helped get rid of this requirement.

Wait wait you are confusing things here...you have to take it slow...

Before the idea of Jew was even formed there were allot of nomads practicing all sort of fertility religions in the middle east. Cult of Baal, and some other deities. One of them was called El something, which translated to "god most high" he was like father god or whatever of other gods. Abraham preached him, now in Egypt there were Yahweh cult followers, a volcano type of war god as we know him from OT, Moses preached him. Even when he existed the other deities existed on par, there was a battle between them and so forth, now as the Yawish people migrated to middle east there was more complicated theology developing, thus forming as we know "Jewish" people", (they kinda merged the idea of El and Yahweh) it took long and gradual transformation before the true monotheism appeared in Jewish faith.

Greek mythology wasn?t simply as powerful or attractive as time went by, they had a complicated development of rationalism, philosophy that, deities simply weren?t attractive anymore. Christianity emerged as a union or combination between Greek and Jewish myth. People change beliefs because times and environment changes and outdated ideas simply do not work or suit mental and/or spiritual needs, they simply do not work on psychological level on peoples mentality. Thus they are abandoned and new religious ideas are embraced.

If you want to know more about the history of western religious development I highly advice you to read book called A History of God by Karen Armstrong, very informative from historical perspective on development of western religions.

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" Hating or disliking a group of people based on the color of their skin. "

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Ok I'll "play" the role.

At what level do people agree that what is factually viewed to exist, is not rascism?

I have heard that it is racist to say that black men are the only ones buying 40 oz jumbo's of malt liquor, in the early morning. I don't detest any black person I see. I have black friends. Yet it it very obvious to me, and my black friends, that during the early morning hours aroung downtown DTW, that black males are buying, and consuming many 40 oz jumbo's.

When does FACT, become a NON-rascist remark? And how long does it take for people to admit these facts?

" You are no match for Lord Gorlok! "

Zynx:

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I have black friends

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And I have friends who are black.
Do you understand the difference?

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"I have friends" should be sufficient actually.

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

Besides he statement is demonstrably untrue.

Whether it be 40 oz botles of malt likker or any other form of alcohol or mood altering substance, the practice is not limited to blacks.

One can see it in downtown Victoria and there ain't a black among 'em. In fact, with the exception of a few 'First Nations" types, the majority are white.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Ram:

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"I have friends" should be sufficient actually.

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Yes. There is however nothing wrong with including black/asian/ etc. EXCEPT when you put the modifier/descriptor first.

My in-laws are always saying things like 'We had a lovely dinner with Ted and Alice and our east-indian friends Ranjit and Vinnie.' And I always hit them with... ' Oh... and Ted and Alice would be your 'white' friends?' They don't like that one bit... nor me for that matter. =)


Your 'friend' is your friend is your friend. Everything else comes after.

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the majority are white.

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I thought you stopped following me around. =)

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I have heard that it is racist to say that black men are the only ones buying 40 oz jumbo's of malt liquor, in the early morning. I don't detest any black person I see. I have black friends. Yet it it very obvious to me, and my black friends, that during the early morning hours aroung downtown DTW, that black males are buying, and consuming many 40 oz jumbo's.

When does FACT, become a NON-rascist remark? And how long does it take for people to admit these facts?

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:" Hating or disliking a group of people based on the color of their skin. "

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I don't see any Hate or dislike here. Or are you suggesting that there is, under the surface

I'm going to say it to you again - please start posting things that make at leasta bit of sense if you wish to participate.

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How can you possibly take the Holy Bible for the Words of God? Even if it was there, I cannot imagine it is still the case now. I would love it to be, but let's be realistic for once, it CANNOT be.

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oh but it CAN

consider: if it is the word of God, don't you think that he anticipated beforehand all the controversy, misinterpretations, etc. and designed it the way it is for a reason?

Outcydr, most xians even admit that they don't purport to "understand the ways of God" - so this

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consider: if it is the word of God, don't you think that he anticipated beforehand all the controversy, misinterpretations, etc. and designed it the way it is for a reason?

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is meaningless, is it not?

Why must there be a reason? Maybe God doesn't have one. Maybe God also didn't inspire the various individuals that wrote the Bible.

Did God tell you that He did, personally? Did God also tell you, personally, that He has a reason?

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consider: if it is the word of God, don't you think that he anticipated beforehand all the controversy, misinterpretations, etc. and designed it the way it is for a reason?

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No.

^^^ I was trying to give my answer to this as well, but I think you fairly summarised it, DL-44...
I would just add the following, as a matter of provocation (perhaps): is there anything else you think He anticipated beforehand? Just let me know, so I do not bother 1) trying to get my own opinion: I will not need it since obviously This Is The Truth 2) trying to get a life: He will lead me to my destiny anyway, whether I want it or not.

If I was a god, I would prefer observing the evolution of my world rather than plan anything beforehand, but this is my humble opinion, and I am not a god. Thank God. Hmmm... whatever

Your statement, outcydr, is very fatalistic. I am not taken nor convinced by it whatsoever.

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No-Jive...nope, still following...can trail you by the partly consumed bottles of Malt Likker...my only source of sustenance.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Dio:

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Those aren't mine pal. =)

To quickly catch up:
DL, I never said it was hate-based. I actually explained to the contrary. I said it was derogatory, offensive, but not necessarily hateful.
WS, racism can be based on dislike, and not just hate. My father dislikes those of different colored skin, yet he doesn't hate them. I believe that this site leans more towards the dislike than the hate, but that is arguable.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

Gideon - you are still hopelessly missing th epoint, and I fear you always will.

A black man does not choose to be black. Being black does not choose who or what a man is.

Deciding to use a book of ancient myth as a basis to lvie your life on, and making judgements on the world based on that is a very definite choice you have.

The texts do not belong to you simply because you use them as religion. They belong to anyone who wishes to read them. You have your views about them, which you have no qualms sharing - so why should people with opposing views be silenced in their interpretation of these texts?

With such a dominant role as christianity plays and has played in the world, to liken people speaking out against the basis of christian views to racist groups is the single most absrud thing you've done so far.

Damn Gideon you sure make it tuff on a guy sometimes.
Hate or no... your dad's a racist. It's a bit tuff to say that being it's your dad and all you're talking about but, the way you state it one can come to no other conclusion.

Based on what you've said in other threads such as homosexuals and homosexuality ...love the sinner (as you see them) but not the sin you are, in this case, somehow trying to rationalize and justify that racism is ok so long as you don't *hate.* That's like saying 'I don't hate niggers.' Do you get *any* of that?

I've not come to conclusions on *many* things but racism I have. It is, imo, the biggest waste of time and energy imaginable. You can dislike...hate...despise anyone you want but if it's 'colour' that's pissin' ya off...poke your eyes out.

well said NJ, DL. Like to talking to a brick wall, except the wall ain't as thick.

Re: Likker....oh yah?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Gid, what do you NOT understand in this sentence

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Blocks are mine.

As for EvilBible, I wasn't aware that Xians could be reduced to one skin color, first of all. Second, EvilBible is critically examining words in a book. It is not saying that it "hates or dislikes" xians.

And I can only agree with what both DL and NJ have posted. Well said!

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Both of you, honestly,..............I never thought of it that way. That makes me think different now. That really hit home.

I always felt that I was being hateful to say such things. I posted that, because of how I felt, and I always thought it was horribly wrong to say.

" You are no match for Lord Gorlok! "

Zynx, Gideon too if you're about.

Not always... but most usually you will find that racisim is rooted in economics. '...*they* are taking all the jobs.' '...*they* do nuthin' but collect welfare buncha lay-abouts.' You've heard similar, many times, I'm sure and when you take a good look at what's being said it's all about money...economics.

And you must be aware also that racism is not the sole domain of *white* people. I once found myself being the lone *white* person in a crowd of fifteen hundred people. Before attending this function I was taken aside by a friend who said, paraphrase; '... you must understand that there will be some people here who are very prejudice...' I acknowledged the warning and went about having an absolutely fantastic night.

But during the evening there was something of a major brawl at the front door. I had to see what was going on so out I go. "You niggers get the fuck outta here.' - 'You fuckin' ragheads go back to where you fuckin' came from.' Huh???

I'd always been aware of racism and prejudice from the *white* side because it was all around me... not in my house ever... but most everywhere else and it was pretty easy for me to understand how and why there could be racism and prejudice directed to *whites.* But never, until that very moment, did it ever enter my mind that this type/sort of racism existed.

This happened a very very *very* long time ago but I remember it like it was yesterday and could probably pull the culprits out of a line up today. I have heard 'similar' in recent years but from different groups and when I pay close attention to what's being said it always comes down to economics. '... you gotta watch them..they'll rob you blind. '....ah don't trust those bastards they'll undercut ya every time.'

My point... listen closely to what's being said. If you hear something that's not about money... hurry back and tell me...because that will be news. =)

Actually NoJive, it has more to do with being different and recognizable as being so - but what you say does have a lot of truth in it. Wealth, economic postion, and power always play a role in it as well.

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'My point... listen closely to what's being said.

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And along that line, I'd like to publicly apologize to WebShaman.

In that e-mail to you, I honestly thought I was just being rude with what I said.

But I was wrong, and I apologize for that.

You have every right to be disgusted by me, but maybe in time you will see that I am not that type of person.

" You are no match for Lord Gorlok! "

DL, you are right. I missed the point that skin color cannot be changed, yet beliefs can; so any persecution I face is voluntary persecution, wheras what someone who doesn't have that choice, it is involuntary, thanks.
On the second note, though, I think you are missing something. Yes, they can have their own interpretations of the Bible, but insults need not be present. That is where I was going with offensiveness. I will admit that there are quite a few good articles in there that should be read, but unfortuantely when I get on that site I am drawn to the "top ten" list, or the discussion board, or the "Church of the Theists Suck." These few articles and suggestions are what offend me personally. If they want to say that theism is wrong because..., that is okay, but if they say theists suck!, that is a different story...
Also, I have been learing about arguments, assumptions, and such in W131, and it seems to me that interpretations are okay, but they don't mean squat unless you can reasonably back them up with evidence. I can argue that EvilBible is ran by gnomes, but how many people would believe me? In the same light, evidence is needed to make a claim. The evidence for most of their claims are shaky at best. Some, I will agree, are an excellent interpretation of how violent God can be, or good interpretations of usually misinterpreted passages. But most fall short of having enough concrete evidence.

Nojive, I never, EVER said racism is okay, and if you (or anyone else) got that impression from what I have written, then I apologize. Racism is a nasty deed that gets in the way of love and unity. I can't stress enough how much people are hurting love and peace when they segregate themselves.

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It [EvilBible] is not saying that it "hates or dislikes" xians.

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Of course not. They just imply it. An interesting theory we have been using in W131 is the theory of "says X, but really means Y." Evil Bible might say, God does this, God does that, with killing and rape. They may have infered this all from the text, which is great interpretation skills. But why then, if it is only to educate others on the little known passages of the Bible, would they have demeaning things like the "top ten," or thiests suck?

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

You still don't understand - they are not attacking xians (or others of other faiths, for that matter) - they are making comparisons of the passages in the Bible, and interpreting them.

I don't get where you think they "hate or dislike" xians. The site may be anti-xian belief, but it doesn't look like it is preaching hatred or dislike of xians, themselves.

Yes WS, but they do it in an offensive manner. I have no problems with them interpreting the Bible however they like, the problem I do have is their offensiveness towards Christians. I am going to do an analysis of the top ten list, and the "Christians are hypocrits" articles in order to find what they are really about. I have found them offensive, but after I analyze them I will tell you if what I found has conclusive evidence either way. If I am either just being jumpy because my personal interpretaion is clashing with theirs, or if there is some truth to what I have found.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

It is not offensive unless one wishes to perceive it so.

Otherwise it is merely good, fact-based analysis.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

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I don't see any Hate or dislike here. Or are you suggesting that there is, under
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I'm sorry, I didn't see this post before. Yes, I am suggesting that there is implicit dislike in the pages of Evil Bible, and I would go as far as saying that it is stigmatizing Christians.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

(Edited by Gideon on 09-21-2005 00:10)

Such accusations are usual from the religious, political party stalwarts etc., whenever the truth about their organization starts getting bruited about.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

(Edited by Diogenes on 09-21-2005 00:48)

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Yes WS, but they do it in an offensive manner.

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That's another one of those opinion things....which you, of course, are as free to have as anyone else is.

You are also free, as anyone else is, to make the choice as to whether YOU want to visit that site. You are not free, however, to try deciding that for other people, and it is absurd for you to suggest that links to that site not be posted.

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but if they say theists suck!, that is a different story...

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If we are talking about effective methods of civilized communication, then I will agree with your statement. Beyond that, it means nothing.

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it seems to me that interpretations are okay, but they don't mean squat unless you can reasonably back them up with evidence. I can argue that EvilBible is ran by gnomes, but how many people would believe me? In the same light, evidence is needed to make a claim.

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An excellent explanation of the problem with religion and the concept of god =)

Also an excellent illustration of the problem inherent in a religion based on the bible.[quote]

I still see nothing on that website that constitutes hate or dislike of xians themselves, but rather their beliefs - and that is something totally different, IMHO.

And further only some specific beliefs, which simply have these absurtities highlighted.

Dan @ Code Town

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I still see nothing on that website that constitutes hate or dislike of xians themselves, but rather their beliefs -

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The site is just poking fun at beliefs. Where's the fire?

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