Topic: UL In DIV effecting containing DIV margins

I have the following:

<div> div on top of nav div below filled black should bump up to div below</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li> ... </li>
</ul>
</div>

They don't bump: top divs bottom should touch bottom divs top. I've tested this by removing the list element in the bottom div to see that they do then touch. I've also undone any style that I may have applied to the list element (incase I was causing it) but to no prevail. Regardless, any style to the list element should happen within the containing div and not effect the layout of the div.

A bug?

links are better than code snippets, but I have a feeling this will help you:

ul {
    margin: 0;
    padding: 0;
    list-style: none;
}

Related:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/27286

..at the time I did not have a sample online. I do not understand why the properties of the UL would have and effect on the containing div.

Karl..

Are you sure it's not simply the margin-collapse in action ? in which case it's absolutely normal and described behavior by the Specifications of CSS 1.0 / 4. Formatting model / 4.1. Block-level elements

What is the style and computed style of your DIVs, UL and LI ? in which browsers do you see a problem ?