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White Hawk, I'm sorry that you think I am calling you a liar: [quote]Uhhhh... are you in the habit of declaring people liars? I explained the intent of that statement already, but again, I can re-word this repeatedly until you understand... ...or, on second thoughts, forget it. I've got a migraine and a long, tough day under way, so I'm just feeling contrary. As far as I'm concerned, you can call me a liar, and you can deliberately misinterpret everything I say; it's something I've grown used-to in the Asylum, so it comes as no major surprise- even from you, Tao. ;)[/quote] Here's the deal, you show me where I have called/declared you a liar, and I will beat myself about the head (and oysters) with my now infamous nunchaku, until I see the error of my ways ;) agreed? Pugzly, you said in response to my saying "So sixteen children murdered by the legally owned guns of a idiot is just bollocks for me to mention is it?" [quote]You could also drive your car into a crowd of people and have the same result. You can't blame the tool for the actions of the user. Doing so means you should put Budweiser out of business. And Ford. The misuse of their products kills a HECK of a lot of people (not picking on either company - just making an example). However, the PROPER use of their products is generally not hazardous. Handguns have their place, too. Competitive shooting, hunting, and self defense are all examples. And competitive shooting and hunting are BIG business.[/quote] Of course people can be killed my any number of things, I realise this. The difference is that cars are made for driving, alcohol for drinking, guns are made for the express purpose of killing (and perhaps, maiming). I can only speak from an Englishmans point of view. I have not grown up in the USA in an environment where seemingly, guns are endemic. Our two cultures in this matter are vastly different, as far as I can see. Guns for self defence? Self defence from other people with guns I imagine. I am not mocking here, I really am trying to understand (in case there is any misinterpretation of my motives) Competitive shooting and hunting? [i] I feel like I am handing you a big bag of amunition here [/i] ;) Wouldn't you know it, Tao's a big vegetarian hippy fella and has been one for over thirty years. I cannot understand why people would want to kill a beautiful defenceless creature for pleasure. It does not just mystify me, it disgusts me. OK, I know I have no right to take that "pleasure" away from other people just because I happen not to agree, but if those guns used for hunting were also regularly used in crime to kill or injure other people. I think it would be a small price to pay to forgo the hobby of killing little creatures, or popping holes in targets, if it meant making life for the rest of the population safer. I know I am being idealistic. That is no reason to dismiss me. The laws of your country and mine at some point started off as ideals. DL-44 and WebShaman, I think perhaps you are right. Our (Human) history shows what a bloodthirsty and malevolent species we are. Thanks for being gentle. I know I need to get myself back into the wilderness for a while. I've been spending too much time in the city. [url=http://tao.serveit.org/tao.htm]::tao::[/url]::[url=http://www.ozoneasylum.com/5635] [IMG]http://tao.serveit.org/sigs/taoboogie.gif[/IMG] ::cell::[/url]
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