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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	[quote] [b]Tao said:[/b] Pugzly, you said in response to my saying "So sixteen children murdered by the legally owned guns of a idiot is just bollocks for me to mention is it?" quote:You could also drive your car into a crowd of people and have the same result. You can't blame the tool for the actions of the user. Doing so means you should put Budweiser out of business. And Ford. The misuse of their products kills a HECK of a lot of people (not picking on either company - just making an example). However, the PROPER use of their products is generally not hazardous. Handguns have their place, too. Competitive shooting, hunting, and self defense are all examples. And competitive shooting and hunting are BIG business.Of course people can be killed my any number of things, I realise this. The difference is that cars are made for driving, alcohol for drinking, guns are made for the express purpose of killing (and perhaps, maiming). [/quote] I take offense to that. Ever go skeet shooting? Target shooting? Competitive shooting? No killing and maiming there. And while hunting might technically fit the "killing" comment, I would think that the food it creates offsets that. [quote] [b]Tao said:[/b] I can only speak from an Englishmans point of view. I have not grown up in the USA in an environment where seemingly, guns are endemic. Our two cultures in this matter are vastly different, as far as I can see.Guns for self defence?Self defence from other people with guns I imagine. I am not mocking here, I really am trying to understand (in case there is any misinterpretation of my motives)Competitive shooting and hunting? I feel like I am handing you a big bag of amunition here Wouldn't you know it, Tao's a big vegetarian hippy fella and has been one for over thirty years. I cannot understand why people would want to kill a beautiful defenceless creature for pleasure. It does not just mystify me, it disgusts me.OK, I know I have no right to take that "pleasure" away from other people just because I happen not to agree, but if those guns used for hunting were also regularly used in crime to kill or injure other people. I think it would be a small price to pay to forgo the hobby of killing little creatures, or popping holes in targets, if it meant making life for the rest of the population safer.I know I am being idealistic. That is no reason to dismiss me. The laws of your country and mine at some point started off as ideals. DL-44 and WebShaman, I think perhaps you are right. Our (Human) history shows what a bloodthirsty and malevolent species we are. Thanks for being gentle. I know I need to get myself back into the wilderness for a while. I've been spending too much time in the city.::tao:::: ::cell:: [/quote] Self defense often involves weapons other than firearms. Or no weapons at all. I certainly wouldn't bring a knife to a knife fight. I bring the tools to get the job done with the least amount of potential for harm for myself and those I choose to protect. Sometimes, those are words, sometimes they are my Nike Air tennis shoes. And sometimes, they are large bore jacketed hollowpoints travelling well in excess of 800 feet per second. You see, I'm not naive enough to think that the local law guys are going to always be there exactly when I need them. And the same for the man upstairs. Sometimes, good people are placed in bad situations through no fault of their own. Removing the basic human right of self defense - the right that every living being has, doesn't make sense. While I won't argue the vegetarian angle, keep in mind that hunting is often FAR more humane than the slaughter house that some animals face before hitting the dinner table. And the appreciation and enjoyment of a meal gathered through hunting is quite extraordinary. And, while you're on the "wrong" side of the pond, this country (U.S.) was built and defended by people who carried guns. And still is. And the founding documents of our government are rife with proof. And statistically, giving law abiding people more freedom with firearms makes the world a safer place. I can provide many stories to prove this theory. [url=http://www.justice4pat.com/] [img]http://www.innervation.com/dev/j4p_link.gif[/img] [/url] Loading...
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