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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	Pugzly, I would like to answer your comments first. [quote] I take offense to that. Ever go skeet shooting? Target shooting? Competitive shooting? No killing and maiming there. And while hunting might technically fit the "killing" comment, I would think that the food it creates offsets that.[/quote] It matters a lot to me that you have taken offence Pugzly, that was not my intention. I accept that shooting at targets is not "killing and maiming", and I want to come back to this in a moment. As it happens, I have never heard of skeet shooting so I searched online and found the [url=http://www.mynssa.com/] National Skeet Shooting Association[/url]. On the first page I noticed this; [quote]?Stolen Shotguns. The following shotguns where stolen from a vehicle off the National Shooting Complex during the South Western Grand. Browning XT, 30 inch barrels SN: 10583MV131. Browning XT, 32 inch barrels SN: 01313MV131. Both shotguns had adjustable combs and were in a black heavy duty travel case.[/quote] This is an example of what I mentioned earlier about legally owned guns quickly becoming illegal and getting into the wrong hands. [quote]Self defense often involves weapons other than firearms. Or no weapons at all. I certainly wouldn't bring a knife to a knife fight. I bring the tools to get the job done with the least amount of potential for harm for myself and those I choose to protect. Sometimes, those are words, sometimes they are my Nike Air tennis shoes. And sometimes, they are large bore jacketed hollowpoints travelling well in excess of 800 feet per second.[/quote] I agree with all but the last sentence about the hollowpoints. [quote]You see, I'm not naive enough to think that the local law guys are going to always be there exactly when I need them. And the same for the man upstairs. Sometimes, good people are placed in bad situations through no fault of their own. Removing the basic human right of self defense - the right that every living being has, doesn't make sense[/quote] I did not say anything about removing the basic human right of self defence. I used to teach self defence with martial arts. [quote]While I won't argue the vegetarian angle, keep in mind that hunting is often FAR more humane than the slaughter house that some animals face before hitting the dinner table. And the appreciation and enjoyment of a meal gathered through hunting is quite extraordinary.[/quote] I agree that animals kept and bred for the slaughter house in factory farms have a horrific life and death. That is one of the main reasons I am vegetarian. While I'm sure the meat "gathered through hunting is quite extraordinary", my belief is to only kill what you need in order to live, and no more. As the shelves in most shops and supermarkets are heaving with produce, there is no need to kill a wild animal, no need at all. [quote]And, while you're on the "wrong" side of the pond, this country (U.S.) was built and defended by people who carried guns. And still is. And the founding documents of our government are rife with proof. And statistically, giving law abiding people more freedom with firearms makes the world a safer place. I can provide many stories to prove this theory.[/quote] That was then and this is now, the world has changed. A great part of the wealth of the USA and the UK was made with and through slavery. It took a long time for that barbarism to be outlawed but through time and effort it was. It was with guns that the native American was almost wiped out and the British Empire spread, stomping on the cultures it invaded. Things change in the world and the times and tides of man. I don't believe firearms make the world a safer place. If they did, we should be living in a kind of paradise now. I have tried over the past few days to research statistics relating to firearms and crime, but as you know, people can bend stats for their own advantage and I have not yet been astute enough to sift the wheat from the chaff. I still intend to read more on the matter but for now I can not devote any more time to it. Perhaps in the USA firearms will make your part of the world a safer place. As I have said I don't know, I can only ask questions, read the opinions, study the stats and listen to people who know more about these things than I. I believe the fewer firearms in circulation the better it will be for society. We will still need the military and law enforcement agencies to be well armed for a long time yet, I am not that idealistic. If that means a small proportion of our population are going to have to find something else to do on their days off so be it, it is a small price to pay. Just because someting is hard to do does not mean we should not do it. I hope no-one takes offence at my words, there should be no reason to. I am not anti-American or anti-British. I am just trying to understand and offer what I think is the best solution. [url=http://tao.serveit.org/tao.htm]::tao::[/url]::[url=http://www.ozoneasylum.com/5635] [IMG]http://tao.serveit.org/sigs/taoboogie.gif[/IMG] ::cell::[/url] Loading...
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