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WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 17:55 Edit Quote

Can somebody tell me who locked http://www.ozoneasylum.com/28172

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 17:56 Edit Quote

the ->adminlog can

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 17:58 Edit Quote

Thank you TP.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 18:24 Edit Quote

I locked the thread. I didn't see any value in it other than continuing a previous argument that could be handled through ICQ or email. Open it if you disagree.

WarMage
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 19:46 Edit Quote

I for one do not disagree. Generally I believe that these sort of challenges are great, but circumstances make this not the best time to have this kind of thing.

Dan @ Code Town

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 20:37 Edit Quote

No disagreement, I was just curious as to who had closed it.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-06-2006 23:11 Edit Quote
quote:

WarMage said:

but circumstances make this not the best time to have this kind of thing.Dan @ Code Town



What circumstances make now any better or worse for any particular kind of thread?

Not that I really care, but for the record I *do* disagree.
I don't see any reason to worry about people arguing...

And, of course, arthemis most certainly deserves a chance to respond to mauro's insulting attack...

but... whatever =)

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-07-2006 09:08 Edit Quote

Should I re-open the thread for you, DL?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

WarMage
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-07-2006 14:59 Edit Quote

How many threads do we need that have mauro launching character assults against other members of the forum? Is this the direction that we want this forum to follow? Do we want a repeat of last year's episode?

I am interested in a debate on this, but when we know something is going to lead down a counter productive path should we stop it, let it run its course, or wait until a certain point to stop it?

We have not set any rules on this and I would be interested in a general concensus on how these things should be handled.

Right now I am going on the thought that I don't want this place to disintegrate into a bunch of flame baths, and if it can be nipped in the bud the better this place will be.

Maybe my ideas on how to achomplish this are off. I would love to get some better ideas or direction on this.

Dan @ Code Town

Arthemis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milky Way
Insane since: Nov 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-07-2006 15:57 Edit Quote

I don't really care. I drop by from time to time, because i always felt this to be a place where one can get good tech answers. And while waiting for those, i try to put a bit of effort in answering other's.

Still, i do not appreciate the unjustification in closing the thread.

The internet is immense but not big enough to accomodate even the slightiest of R.L. issues. And that boy has issues. Plus, even disregarding this, i'm just too hard to insult.

I don't think there's any need to reprehend mauro (ini), other than verbally. I am not saying i would miss him, because he is part of the scenery; or that his knowledge has been and probably will be useful. What i'm saying is that even through (and specially through) this behavior of his really you can see that he really likes it here.

I think that this should be criteria enough to keep someone around.

But i'm no judge, or know enough of the background involved. And plus, he could just be addicted to webtrolling.

Cheerfully,
Arthemis

~this is not a signature~

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-07-2006 18:30 Edit Quote

You need justification on why a thread started to attack a member was closed?

Other moderators can do what they want. When a discussion runs its course and turns into nothing but name calling, I'm closing it. Those involved can use the closing to walk away and get some air. If any moderators want to get together and discuss some guidelines, I'm open for it.

hyperbole
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Madison, Indiana
Insane since: Aug 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-07-2006 18:36 Edit Quote

While I'm not interested in seeing a lot of argument and name calling here, I do feel there has been a tendency, for the last year or so, to close threads a little too quickly. It would be better if the "combatants" dropped their argument after a brief encounter and allowed the thread to continue with the designated topic or to die a natural death. If they don't seem inclined to do that over a period of time, I could see closing the thread, but I think it is a little hasty to close a thread just because one person decides to get nasty in a post or even if there is a brief exchange of insults.

As far as loosing ones temper and resorting to insults: People here need to keep in mind that words are a very imperfect form of communication and we are trying to communicate with people from other cultures and other locations without the assistance of visual or sound cues. If you feel that you have been insulted by someone, go back and re-read the post (several times) and see if you can't figure out a different way to interpret what they said so that you won't be insulted by it. If you are absolutely sure that the person intended to insult you, then try politely dropping out of the conversation. You won't win anything by engaging in a battle of words.



<edit>Bad timing on my part. I was actually responding to WebShaman's request for discussion, but, Jestah slipped his post in while I was typing. The placement of this post in the thread makes my response look a little argumentative WRT Jestah's comment. It's not intended that way.</edit>



-- not necessarily stoned... just beautiful.


(Edited by hyperbole on 07-07-2006 18:43)

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-07-2006 20:37 Edit Quote

I agree that in general I'd rather see threads last longer rather than shorter.

Unfortunately these flamewars almost unerringly involve a single member, maybe we should just give him his own fourm and kick these threads over there.



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-08-2006 09:38 Edit Quote

I'd rather not close threads altogether but at some point I think a little common sense is needed. These petty squabbles do three things: (1.) They cause us to lose many good members who add to the community, (2.) they scare away potential members and (3.) they disrupt good discussion which has been lacking around here. For those curious, Ini's latest outburst ranks #2 on Google when searching for free/cheap anti-virus software. What would have been accomplished if that fight was allowed to continue?

Perhaps considering some sort of guidelines is a good idea.

docilebob
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: buttcrack of the midwest
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-18-2006 14:05 Edit Quote

Argueing on the internet is like running a Special Olympics race.
Whether or not you win, you`re still a tard.

I, for one, am not opposed to closing these types of threads. I`m tired of the whiney bullshit. This is NOT what we are here for.

_Mauro
Maniac (V) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2005

IP logged posted posted 07-19-2006 18:21 Edit Quote

I'll tie it al together, I'll be blunt, honest, and not specific to one person. If you feel offended, consider you've been warned and it is YOUR problem.

quote:

While I'm not interested in seeing a lot of argument and name calling here, I do feel there has been a tendency, for the last year or so, to close threads a little too quickly.



Curiosity is the main trait of a scientific mind.
Censorship is the main weapon of the weak against new knowledge or thinking.
Both are needed, in a balance mostly made of curiosity (for those who believe in progress and evolution, that is).

quote:

I, for one, am not opposed to closing these types of threads. I`m tired of the whiney bullshit. This is NOT what we are here for.



I do too, my mistake was maybe to tell someone who had been insuting to fuck off? Yes, it was, in that I gave him a meaning.
Other than that, give me something concrete I did to bring things to that situation? Just show me a fact.

I am a scientific "idiot", remember

quote:

Argueing on the internet is like running a Special Olympics race.
Whether or not you win, you`re still a tard.



Hell yeah.

quote:

People here need to keep in mind that words are a very imperfect form of communication and we are trying to communicate with people from other cultures and other locations without the assistance of visual or sound cues. If you feel that you have been insulted by someone, go back and re-read the post (several times) and see if you can't figure out a different way to interpret what they said so that you won't be insulted by it. If you are absolutely sure that the person intended to insult you, then try politely dropping out of the conversation. You won't win anything by engaging in a battle of words.



Hell yeah.

quote:

I don't think there's any need to reprehend mauro (ini), other than verbally. I am not saying i would miss him, because he is part of the scenery; or that his knowledge has been and probably will be useful. What i'm saying is that even through (and specially through) this behavior of his really you can see that he really likes it here.



That's clever. I didn't follow up that thread. I posted more seldomly because..

And I am not accusing.
And I am not insulting.

But I am questionning.

What I like here are the few, more and more rare, true flexible minds who can think out of the box, and work out brand new ideas into niftey toys
that will become web history and widely spread technology (somebody said Ajax? The first time I saw it in action was on Doc's page).

What kept me from posting for the past weeks, and what irks me, and is invariably insulting per se is that
- I have nothing to prove professionally,
I have been promoted on top of the top in my recent consulting duties, and am enjoying what I do immensely, am now managing my missions
and changing areas, doing intranet stuff, it & support, development. For top fortunes.

I am not here to prove or show or sell or gain simpathy: I don't give a damn about the emotions I give to a Jestah or a Warmage as long as they are not intruding my freedom.

...And have a look through my eyes... a jugdgementless look though:

quote:

For those curious, Ini's latest outburst ranks #2 on Google when searching for free/cheap anti-virus software. What would have been accomplished if that fight was allowed to continue?


quote:


From InI's mind.
LMAO... sounds like he's trying to sell really crappy shoes here, needs to wave google at the crowd to make a point.

What would have been accomplished... well, I'd have hypnotized the whole crowd, to hand them to Aliens from Apha Centauri.
Of course.

Of course, his one track mind being on "let's whine about InI" mode, he is totally amplifying potential consequences of
a software expert feeling insulted at the thought of malpractice being advertised (in this case, disabling services), as if I had the power
to kidnap his Dog through my google pigeon rank.

He is amplyfying stuff because he hates me: the sole fact I am good, and emotionally weak... he probably has had a frustrating day, probably has some inner weaknesses of his own,
and I am hitting the "easy to throw off" bell in his hazy mind, so he will bite, and he will resort to arguments like the google rank,
and the power of my words, the bad press it brings, blah-blah...


Thank God he has no other power than the potential of being a nuisance, like a real insect, one that closes threads on a whim.




But people need to know, regardless.
Would it only be for one reason: http://www.schneier.com/essays.html

Read these essais that re-state many things I said, they are by one of the very best security consultants worldwide, one of the most
renouned too.
People need to have a grasp from technology to improve MY usage of technology, simply: practices like not upgrading to SP2, fairytales
on the inner workings of web browsers good answers or advice.

Practices like top-noth communication between browsers, clients, this, and that, are one of my specalties.

I am surprised by Arthemis intelligent honesty, that's ok. Shows a strong person. - still, stop fucking disabling services, you make it easier for viruses to
reach ME and my website.
As much as I am amused by Jestah, I guess that's the point. He's kinda good at selling shoes, politics, and waving the holy google flag
(amen), has a specialization at hands.

But specialisation is for insects.

I like talking to adults as much as some of you claim to do. Adults in my world are able to stand for theyre mistakes as well as theyre successes,
able to... forgive, put themselves in question at any given time, you know, think outside the box.

Oh you don't know?

...too bad but that's not a reason for me to shut up.

docilebob
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: buttcrack of the midwest
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-19-2006 21:34 Edit Quote
quote:
- I have nothing to prove professionally,



For someone with nothing to prove, you sure quote you resume alot. (as in the sentence following that one.)

quote:
I don't give a damn about the emotions I give to .....



That would be part of the problem, wouldn`t it? Everyone here has earned their respect in their own way. You know that when people disrespect you, it pisses you off. It does the rest of us as well. We may not all be brilliant coders, but we all do have our strong suits.


Let`s institute the old Kindergarden rule : If you can`t say something nice, shut the f*ck up.
Ok, that`s a paraphrase, but you get the idea.

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-19-2006 21:37 Edit Quote

I am so tempted to lock this thread right now.



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

_Mauro
Maniac (V) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2005

IP logged posted posted 07-20-2006 08:34 Edit Quote

DB, while this is fine by me:
Let`s institute the old Kindergarden rule : If you can`t say something nice, shut the f*ck up.

Are you certain it's fine by everybody else? I am not, but let's all give it a try, shall we?

About quoting my resume, whatever you think, pay attention to the fact I don't go into the exact details of what's happenning to me right now.
But to whoever dreamt to be this or that before the age of 30, just picture I -have- one of those situations, one that people find themselves in seldomly at my age, and stroking it here and there doesn't seem to be enough to suggest it's not only because of brilliant coding.

Still, it isn't, and summing me up to a moody evil character who agresses out of the blue is a -tad- restrictive.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-20-2006 12:47 Edit Quote
quote:
But to whoever dreamt to be this or that before the age of 30, just picture I -have- one of those situations, one that people find themselves in seldomly at my age, and stroking it here and there doesn't seem to be enough to suggest it's not only because of brilliant coding.



_Mauro, while that is indeed something to be proud of as an accomplishment, do keep in mind that many of the Asylum natives have also done this, and more.

The difference being that many of them do not need to have others know about it.

I know that I do not need to have all of you know.

And I think the Kindergarten rule is fine.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

_Mauro
Maniac (V) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2005

IP logged posted posted 07-20-2006 15:00 Edit Quote

The bad thing with quotes is that they can, sometimes, put things out of context.

>> Still, it isn't, and summing me up to a moody evil character who agresses out of the blue is a -tad- restrictive.

This is the -only- reason for which I waste time advertising, it is proportional to the energy I usually dedicate to people
wanting to bother me. Both a waste, but again, I wish the world was all flowers and all grown adults lived up to the status.

Then again, that's life.

I think I'll post my blunt thoughts more often, still. They tend to make things clear....

**Ok, now WS gets back to the crime scene, he started the debate.
Ah, yeah, I am saying I am not -only- a moody character and he turns it the other way round - emphasis on the "ego stroking".
Coolness. We're in for some understanding. **

Hey people, I am not *fighting against the world*, I do -like- this place for some qualities in it, that's for sure.
Therefore, I am not despising good things other people do. Not even saying I am the best. Just saying I am not connected to Al-Qaida.

...How many times do I have to ask for a break myself?

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

IP logged posted posted 07-20-2006 17:22 Edit Quote

FOCUS FOCUS PEOPLE.

This thread is for the discussion of the criteria around locking threads

Though there is a certain irony in this coming to pass here, I think if you want to start another thread that can be locked do it elsewhere.



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.



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