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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	[quote] [b]jade said:[/b] But that really was no suprise to Jesus as he knew what was about the to happen to him would fulfill all rightousness..and seal a lasting unbreakable covenant with us.[/quote] Ah yes, the concept of predestination and free will. If God knows what is going to happen to you already, do you really have free will? As you said, Jesus knew what would happen no matter what. The plural He already knows what is going to happen to each person in and after their lives. You know what? No a damn thing you do will change any of that, Jade. So why don't you stop testifying and being a general troll. Not everyone believes in God, god or gods. Not everyone has been conditioned to think they will go to hell or to some oasis paradise after death. Sidetrack: Did you know, the concept of hell is based off the founding religions environment? Wanderers (e.g. the early jewish tribes) living in a desert land of heat, little water and hardship tended to think the worst thing that could happen to them would be to suffer more of the same, only worse. Hence, a concept of hell that is heat and flames. On the flip side, in Norse mythology (aka religion), the concept of hell is cold, dark and damp because they lived in a Scandanavia. Ontrack: Anyways, you keep making all these claims with nothing but your faith to back them up. In fact, the only thing telling you that homosexuality is "wrong" is your faith, because that is the only way you seem to be able to recognize it. You've been taught and conditioned to think this way, and you bought into the ideas lock, stock and barrel. You have no way of knowing if the "billions of people" around the world think as you do, you just want to think that because it makes you feel more smugly superior. No matter how much humility and/or piety you might claim to have, Jade, you come off as a holier than thou crackpot with an axe to grind. By the way, if I remember my religion classes at all (and I'll admit I might not, it's been far over 25 years now), did Jesus come to bring us new laws to replace those in the Old Testament? Laws of love, laws of compassion? If so, then why is the moral majority so hung up on using the old laws of the OT to "prove" something? Speaking of the OT and it's laws (which is where the moral majority like to pull their "rules" from), here's some fun facts I found in the Bible, esp. Leviticus, which is where a lot of people like to find the "homes are BAD" stuff. [Quote] [b]1 Timothy 2:11-12 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)[/b] 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.[/quote] Wives, don't talk back to your husbands, because you aren't allowed. Oh yeah, hope you don't have any female bosses, because you aren't allowed to listen to them. [Quote] [b]Judges 19:22-24 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)[/b] 22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."[/quote] Offer up your daughter to be raped in order to protect your (male) guests. Yeah, that whole "women are chattel and property" thing most of the modern world has dispensed with. [Quote] [b]Leviticus 11 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)[/b] 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud. 4 " 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The coney, [a] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you. 9 " 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. 10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales?whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water?you are to detest. 11 And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.[/quote] Hope you don't like eating pork or rabbit or calimari or shrimp. [Quote] [b]Leviticus 12 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)[/b] 1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Say to the Israelites: 'A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. 3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. 4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. 5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.[/quote] Hope you didn't touch your wife (or allow yourself to be touched if female) at all after your kids were born. Because then you would be unclean as well. [Quote] [b]Leviticus 15 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV)[/b] 16 " 'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 17 Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. 18 When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. 19 " 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. 20 " 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening. 24 " 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean. 25 " 'When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. 26 Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. 27 Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 28 " 'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.[/quote] Wow. And let's not forget all the burnt offerings that need to be made to atone for this uncleanliness. If you are going to use the Old Testament as basis for something, then you don't get to cherry-pick only those passages which suit you. Christians are those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, who gave us His word through the New Testament. If you are going to follow the rulings and teachings of the Old Testament (or only those passages which suit you), then is it correct and proper to call yourself a Christian? A few other questions as well (not that I think you or binary or anyone else claiming homosexuals are bad will answer) - how does homosexuality hurt you directly? How does the prospect of gay marriage ruin the institution of marriage overall? What does the decline in morals overall have to do with homosexuality becoming more visible? Leviticus a fun chapter of the Bible to read, because it sets out all the rules for living. I'd fear for the livestock populations of the world if we still had to sacrifice that many animals to atone. I'm sure PETA would have a field day as well. _____________________ [sigrotate][img]http://coeurdefeu.com/sigs/asylum_sig04a.gif[/img]\|[img]http://coeurdefeu.com/sigs/asylum_sig03b.gif[/img][/sigrotate] [url=http://coeurdefeu.com]coeur de feu[/url] :: [url=http://www.grimwell.com]Grimwell Online[/url] Qui sème le vent récolte la tempête! Loading...
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