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[quote] [b]jade said:[/b] Can we compare the relationship of a love of two of the opposite sex with the love of two same sex as genuine love. One achieves the means to an end and the other does not achieve anything. One in the theological view is for the procreation and fulfillment for the human race , the other is just a present counterfeit to deflect what is real truth. And is never satisfied. [/quote] So wait, you are implying that any sex that does not result in a pregnancy is wrong? As DL-44 asked, haven't you ever had sex just for the pleasure? And if not, if every instance of copulation has resulted in a child, then I feel very sorry for you. Because it is an expression of love between two people. And what about couples that either cannot have children or choose to not have children? Are you going to say they are committing a sin everytime they make love because the sperm goes to "waste"? [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] For instance, lets use Rosie O Donnell and her partner..They set up house and have 3 or 4 kiddos. Rosie married this woman in a civil ceremony and they all play house like a real family. Rosie plays the male stronger dominate figurehead who brings home most of the bacon and the woman plays the wife who is of the more feminine and takes nurturing care of the kiddos. Is anything wrong with this family? Will the children have a male/female partnership role model relationship to guide them thru life. Because children learn from their parents important lessons on how to communicate as a loving wife or husband from their parents...father/mother nurturing is very important in the growing years of a child. Many emulate the kind of family they grew up in. Can Rosie father her son like a real male father can? NO. Can she show him what it means to be a real father in every sense of the word in thought and action .Definitely Not. If their children attend public school, most of their school friends will have male fathers...Will their children feel deprived of a natural father....YES most definitely. Most or all children want and daddy and a momma..But life is not always fair and we cannot always have the ideal. But to have a unnatural union instead of a normal healthy union is far worse and sends very wrong signals. If they choose this way of life why are they not content to just live. They will in the end reap what they have sown. So to try to get laws passed so we can recognize this kind of unnatural union as a natural family her in the USof A is wrong and we don't have to accept it. We can enact laws to fight against it for the common moral good of all people. [/quote] Personally, I'd like know what reality jade is part of, since it's not the one where the divorce rate is +50% and single parent families are probably far more common than the "traditional" two parent household is. Not to mention that kids are infinitely flexible, very adaptable and while they can be extremely literal, they can also show a much deeper understanding of some things than one might believe. What Rosie & spouse will be showing to their kids is that they are loved and that their parents love each other. Life isn't all happiness and light. Jade, according to you, growing up in a "natural family" of two parents, one male and one female, implies that the kids will grow up just as "normal" as their parents. How then do you explain the existance of homosexuals at all? How do you explain all the successful, happy, well-adjusted people who did not grow up having a father and a mother? Oh, and another thought. Since you seem to like using the OT for your arguments, I have a question about what it's like to be part of a plural marriage (polygyny) and considered your husband's property. Is it hard to have to share him with other women on a regular basis? Just wondering is all, since men having multiple wives (and having children by their servants as well - do you have a maid?) is acceptable and common practice in the OT as well. _____________________ [sigrotate][img]http://coeurdefeu.com/sigs/asylum_sig04a.gif[/img]|[img]http://coeurdefeu.com/sigs/asylum_sig03b.gif[/img][/sigrotate] [url=http://coeurdefeu.com]coeur de feu[/url] :: [url=http://www.grimwell.com]Grimwell Online[/url] Qui sème le vent récolte la tempête!
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