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[quote]Poor Jade. Unsatisfied with her own life, she must try her hardest to live others' for them. You have every right to think any one of my actions is immoral, Jade, but as long as it doesn't affect you, you do not have the right to tell me I can't do it. As DL-44 asked, haven't you ever had sex just for the pleasure? [/quote] I don't feel poor and I am lacking in some areas and have my shortcomings but for the most part I am happy. I feel quite rich with life at present. No I won't stick it in anyone's face that they are living immoral..unless they ask me and I would explain in a loving way to seek confidence in God and he would want them to achieve a beautiful destiny by living in the ways of the Lord. [quote]So wait, you are implying that any sex that does not result in a pregnancy is wrong? [/quote] No. I did not note that.. From what I perceive sexual pleasure was created for man... Man was not created for sexual pleasure... and in the realm of a married committed state. A creation of life has a particular time in life when its destined to come.. And if its a hit an miss this is not the time for a soul to enter this world. Orgasims are super eroitc experiences which in comparison in the sensual tangibles cannot be matched..This coming together is a well thought out ritual in regard to the cosmos. No mating, no mankind continued. Its an excellent plan. Thwarting that plan is unhealthy sexual unions that don't produce , add or help to the planet.. Therefore the only meaning they have is unto themselves, which is selfish love masqueraded. Referring to Suhos's sweet derivatives (sigh)...I think its about discipline in choosing what's is right...too much sweets are really bad for you. And can damage your teeth, health and is not too scale friendly. So abstinence is much better for the visual physical body....Those who are not spiritually disciplined cannot find a peace. Their body dominates the mind instead of the mind dominates the body. Therefore they are always thirsty for what they think will bring them the greatest of pleasures, which is suppose to be a holy family in union with a God. There is no God in a homosexual union. Never will be. Men are suppose to gratify God with their bodies in thoughts, words, and especially deeds.. Per theological circles, the marriage union should emulate the trinity..Three in a union...Man, God, Wife. .All three entities in the trinity love 24 seven in the greatest of mysteries in the most perfect union constantly in motion. In other words its POWERHOUSE of love in orbit.. [quote]And if not, if every instance of copulation has resulted in a child, then I feel very sorry for you. [/quote] Thanks for trying to feel sorry for me......but because you don't think like me...I don't feel sorry for you...And I really don't feel like I am missing out..on a sexual fantasy of two women...nausea might set in and make me ill. Then I will have green vomit everywhere. [quote]Because it is an expression of love between two people. And what kids will grow up just as "normal" as their parents. How then do you explain the existence of homosexuals at all? How do you explain all the successful, happy, well-adjusted people who did not grow up having a father and a mother? [/quote]I just love my betta fish Oscar and I tap his tank everyday to show it I am there.. Yeah..I can express love. Well..I really wouldn't know if they are truly happy individuals...living in the world in the wrong place like a shoe being on the wrong foot...Yes...I can see they are blissfully happily living in a world that goes against the very grain of their lives... what is your definition of well adjusted???? That sex going both ways is healthy and good and produces a happy fruitful meaningful life...and either way they will be happy. Homosexual behavior is a choice...Regardless of their nature...or deep rooted wanna be a woman or man role mentallity. [quote]Oh, and another thought. Since you seem to like using the OT for your arguments, I have a question about what it's like to be part of a plural marriage (polygyny) and considered your husband's property. Is it hard to have to share him with other women on a regular basis? Just wondering is all, since men having multiple wives (and having children by their servants as well - do you have a maid?) is acceptable and common practice in the OT as well. [/quote] When have I used OT as an argument here lately?..more often I would use NT scripture..OT laws are fulfilled in the new...The extreme messages in history of the chosen people have relevance in the times to tell the history of a people in their old laws..Bible passage have points of reference to a lesson and also fact of historical value... Per Scripture...If your hand sins cut it off & if your eye sins gouge it out...Is this to be taken literally? It has a particular lesson in the simplest object of temptation can lead you astray so get rid of it...like a person, friendship..object...etc...because in the seriousness it can be your ruin. [quote]We can enact laws to fight against it for the common moral good of all people. Yup.... just like they do in Iran. Mullah Bush has a bit of a ring to it don't ya think? Good thinking Jade. Almost as good as that pope of yours...who, in a matter of what a year??? manages to wipe out any inter-faith diplomacy your previous leader managed to engender. That current boy of yours is an absolute dolt. And an old dolt at that. Catholics should have a law disbarring old farts from wearing the funny hat. Old farts in the big chair are only interested in speeding up 'the end times' because they know their time is pretty much up and how cool it would be if it all came to a thundering end while they were twiddling the big rosary. Put an alterboy in charge and switch them out when they reach the age of 25. Put somebody in charge who wants to live for a while, someone who can still get an erection...and then you can start talking seriously about a second coming. [/quote] What does this have to do with same sex marriage?..if you want to pope bash,Catholic bash... put it on another thread. Do you think the holy father would put out a comment if in the long run he knew something was brewing?. Believe me...this statement was planned and well thought out and in the end this statement will have a positive effect in the relations with the Islam world...in that they the leaders of the Islamic world came together in peace at the popes residence to speak of non-violence and to promote non-violence. What have you done to promote non-violence...here lately... What other world religions leader has done this... Has Joel Olsteen done it..No..he is just small fry..for you to toast. But that is another subject...I am glad he said what he said and he did not apologize for his statement just that he is sorry the muslims took offense. [quote]Jade - I'm just curious here... You keep talking about laws against gay marriage because of its "immorality". Where on the scale immoral acts do you place it? Is it as bad as murder? Stealing the life savings of a senior? Raping a 12 year old girl? Executing innocent school children? Kidnapping? Or is it more along the lines of exchanging sexual emails with minors while maintaining a front of a law-abiding (and <gasp> a law-making) citizen? What is morality to you, Jade? Is it simply ideas that have been put forth to you in the Bible and Catechism, preached to you by your clergy? Or does it actually mean something? I consider an immoral act to be flagrant disregard of one's personal liberties - acts of violence, theft - behaviors that cause harm to one's immediate well being and done without willful permission or consent. [/quote] Morality is not something the Catholics invented...many who lead secular lives still adhere to moral principles...I am sure you have few you adhere to. Like honor you parents, don't cheat on your wives & husbands, don't have two wives, don't steal what doesn't belong to you, don't accuse someone who you know is innocent, don't have prerverted sex with one, two, three people, including animals.. Does this sound like you? Or have you broken all of them...See... I am sure you practice moral principles. But in regard to the sacred piece of a unique masterpiece in your human body it should be treated and cared for with great integrity, modesty and good intentions... Giving into the desires of the flesh in any immoral way......damages the soul. So if we give in to the desires of the soul in good conscience we are saving the body uncorrupted. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04208a.htm
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