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[quote] [b]jade said:[/b] Who do I think I am????...well I am a Christian ( a follower of Jesus Christ). ALL CHRISTIANS SPEAK FOR CHRIST.....This is what Christ told his followers to do. " Anyone who hears you..hears me". However, you want to see me is your prerogative. If you want to call me ignorant, out of touch it really doesn't matter to me. To spread the TRUTH as they, the twelve bore witness to the truth. And its been spread over centuries. For the last 2000 years we have been spreading and saying the same things over and over and over. To deny this truth to us is to cease being a Christian. There should be about 2 billion or so out there living not deceased Christians evangelizing like me.... [/quote] Well, you see, this is something I find hard to believe: how can you be certain, for a start, that Jesus Christ's very words are still the same as when he first spoke them? How can I be certain, that what millions and millions of people over 2000 years have not been twisting his words? Even in our scale of human beings at this very moment, it is well known that a piece of information hardly remains intact when passed on and on. How can you, Christians, be absolutely sure that the meaning of Christ's word has not been altered through translations, word of mouth and so on? For me, the whole argumentation falls apart as soon as it implies other beings, not God Himself. I do believe in the fact that God might be speaking to people, and find this concept absolutely wonderful, although it never happened to me. But how can I trust a text that has been translated over and over before getting to me for a start? [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] I am pretty sure most Buddhist, Muslims, etc believe the same way about homosexuality as the Christians.. [/quote] Are you absolutely certain about this? [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] So where have you been most or your adult life when you began to reason about Christianity. [/quote] Is this a question? You will have to explain this one to me. [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] This is what Christians do...they follow the way of Christ per scripture and 2000 years of religious thought by great scholars, theologians, etc. [/quote] Beside what poi and Nathus said about this which I totally agree with, remember that the Church is probably one of the most corrupted institution too. I will try and find examples to illustrate this later on. [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] Unorganized spiritual thought doesn't impact anyone but yourself. [/quote] This is probably why I chose not to agree with and join a Church that allowed arrogance, murders, hatred and persecution for the last 2000 years. [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] What would be the purpose? To me..no man is an island but a part of everyone else. The greater impact of spiritual warfare is done in great numbers and an outcome is achieved. [/quote] I do agree with your first statement, but not, again, with the Church's ways of achieving outcome. [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] You come across as feeling correct in your way of thinking as opposed to me...so what makes you right and me wrong? Why do you feel you hold the key to understanding homosexual matters. Ifs it because your one, that does not mean you know more that I. [/quote] I think what you feel like my coming across as feeling correct is actually my way of making a point of trying to understand anyone's feelings and beliefs, regardless of their religious appartenance, "race" (how I hate that word), and cultural origin. I do think, however, that I am freer than you in making my own opinions about a critical range of topics. And definitely more open minded, as are most other people in the Asylum, Christians or not. FYI I am heterosexual, but do understand from the deepest of my soul and heart how people can fall in love with another soul, female or male. Love is that fantastic that you can actually love anyone, in any way. Why, tell me why would you like to put a barrier to love? [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] We as Christians believe that all nations in spiritual organized thought will be one because this is a part of our biblical revelations. If you want to believe this is a far-fetched view, you are free to do so. [/quote] In theory I think there is nothing wrong with this concept, in an ideal world. However, it has never been and will never be a suitable solution for a world like ours, as your religion has no way to provide satisfaction for each and every ethnic on Earth. [quote] [b]jade said:[/b] Besides those who think its ok to practice homosexuality, are not the majority and references made to those who are not in favor of this lifestyle are not from the dark ages. They are your neighbors. [/quote] Again, and again Jade, as it has been pointed out to you so many times: the belief of a majority is not necessarily THE TRUTH. ********* To extand a bit this debate, I would like to ask everyone's views about this: how is physical attraction linked to love?
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