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Since my guild just went through the whole "gays shouldn't get married" debate on our boards, I figured I'd repost my most appropriate response on that thread here, since it does apply as well. The first paragraph is in response to someone saying that gays were trying to be covert in getting the marriage agenda passed: [quote]Actually, they aren't being covert about it at all. They want a legal union to be available to them. The "traditional" term used is marriage, whether or not you associate any religious connotations to it. A civil union presided upon by a justice of the courts is still called a marriage. No church or religious doctrine is involved. Gays what the right to a civil union, that legal piece of paper that traditionally signifies what is called marriage. Everyone who has gotten legally married is required to have one of those little pieces of paper in order to be recognized as legally married [b]by the state[/b]. Whether or not you have that paper signed in the presence of a clerk of the courts, a pastor or a priest, [b]it is still required that you have that document in order that the marriage be legal[/b]. Hence, the state is in the business of legislating marriage at some level. That takes it out of the hands of religion and puts it into the hands of the courts. Marriage is the commonly used word to describe this occurance. It has been disassociated from religious connotations for quite some time now, since this state of being can be achieved without the participation of any church. Now, if the courts stopped issuing or requiring marriage certificates and allowing only religious institutions to determine if someone was married or not, then there would be a hodge-podge of rules and people might end up being considered as married in one denomination, while another doesn't accept the marriage as legal until it is performed in their faith. As it is now, the baseline of acceptance is by the states, the religious institutions have the right to accept or not accept any marriage as valid, but they don't control the benefits derived from the state of being married, the states do. That little piece of paper - the marriage certificate - is what gives your significant other the legal ability to many things, including inherit, have power of attorney, make medical decisions and be at your bedside, etc. without having to have special provisions laid out otherwise. Marriage is the union of two people that love each other. It shouldn't matter what gender they are. In fact, with the examples of straight marriage out there, I'm surprised anyone wants to get married in the first place. Gays aren't "ruining" marriage. Heterosexuals are doing a fine job of that all on their own. [/quote] Another thought that came to me as I was rereading this - Gays aren't beating down the doors to get married in churches afaik. They simply want legal unions (as I already mentioned, what is traditionally called marriage whether is it performed before a judge or a religious official) to be available to them as it is to everyone else. _____________________ [sigrotate][img]http://coeurdefeu.com/sigs/asylum_sig04a.gif[/img]|[img]http://coeurdefeu.com/sigs/asylum_sig03b.gif[/img][/sigrotate] [url=http://coeurdefeu.com]coeur de feu[/url] :: [url=http://www.grimwell.com]Grimwell Online[/url] Qui sème le vent récolte la tempête! [small](Edited by [url=http://www.ozoneasylum.com/user/4276]RhyssaFireheart[/url] on 07-08-2006 17:29)[/small]
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