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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	[quote] By the same token, I see scientific theory and scientific fact as two different things. [/quote] Well yes, they are 2 different things. [quote] Theorists accept criticism and are always thinking of new ways and ideas to expand our understanding of ourselves and the worlds around us; the proponents of scientific fact would have us discard everything but the "hard evidence" and consider this existence a cosmic accident easily explained and replicated by laboratory experiments. [/quote] This is a common problem people face when trying to deal with scientific issues, and is a big misunderstanding of terminology. "facts" are out there. "facts" are not absolute. Theories are methods used to take those facts and explain the way that they relate to one another and to the natural world. Without facts, there are no theories. [quote] The Bible tells us God created the world in six days; we can choose to take that at face value (faith/religion) or investigate it further to prove or disprove that (science). [/quote] Those are the only two options? When what we know and can explain scientifically reaches a point that we can no longer currently explain, we must use the bible to fill in the gaps? There are any number of options, and opt personally to disregard completely what hebrew mythology has to say about creation, in the same way that I dismiss what greek, norse, egyptian, mayan and korean mythologies have to say about it. They all make very interesting reading, and they all express some pretty interesting ideas about the people who wrote them, and about our perceptions of the world we live in. But they can no more explain the very beginning than science can, and in all reality, they generally do a worse job of explaining it. [quote] We assume, as mortal men and women, that day = 24 Earth hours. [/quote] I would say that any rational individual with serious interest in determining the begining of the universe would make no such assumption, and would be very unlikely to pursue any sort of investigiation into biblical interpretation at all. [quote] But to God, at that point in His plan day could = 75,000,000 Earth years. Or 5.2 seconds. We don't know for sure, because we have no way of seeing the Universe as God sees it. At least, not yet. Maybe science will create that method - that is what I was driving at, DL-44. [/quote] If we were to look at the bible, and try to use logic on something that is clearly illogical, that logic would tell us that if god created the universe, and created day and night, that the 'day' spoken of in his most sacred texts would refer to the day that he created... But that's a whole different conversation, and one with nothing to do with science ;) Now, to step back to the far more important point behind this part of the discussion - you are working from an assumption that falls well outside of what we can say is true using this tool that is science: that god exists. To look forward to a time where science can create a method 'of seeing the Universe as God sees it' takes a huge set of leaps over the fact that there is no scientific evidence that any sort of god or gods actually exist(s). That again is a topic far greater than can be summed up in this thread, but it is essential to realize that the assumption of a god is beyond the scope of science, and to try to harmonize the two - while it is certainly perogative philosophicaly - is beyond the scope of reason. To compare what we learn through science to what the bible says in any other than an allegorical way is a hopeless and fruitless journey. Science and religion (or faith, or 'belief systems', or the bible...) are seperate things and will always be. Loading...
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