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argo navis
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posted posted 08-02-2007 16:48

GETTING STARTED
=============

First thing, you will want to make this new desktop home. During setup of Kubuntu, you are prompted for user accounts.
The password of the default user account will also work as password for your root user.

Root user is basically the superuser of the whole system, "God in Linux" so to speak.
Don't worry about him for now : the robust security of Ubuntu prompts you for a password each and every time a sensitive task must be performed.

Possible problems and troubleshooting :
--------------------------------------------
LOCALES - the keyboard mapping should be adjusted during setup, however, some keys may be incorrectly assigned,
and prior to logon, you will be on a default locale, most probably with an incomplete or incorrect keymapping. Keep this in mind.


There is a software called xmodmap which allows customization of the keyboard layout, and a variety of pre-made config files
that can be downloaded from the web and independently from your version of Linux. Neato.

NETWORK ACCESS - network cable connection should be pretty seamless. Under KDE/Ubuntu Feisty, the settings for fixed IP can be defined
from "Programs -> System settings -> Network settings". Wireless and encryption may raise other difficulties, regarding the type of keyphrase
in use, etc..


Past the limited system controls, use Network Manager for Linux,
it works a threat.

OTHER SYSTEM SETTINGS - Like the display size can be set through the System settings control panel.

INSTALLING NEW APPLICATIONS - can be done from the "Programs -> System -> Adept Package manager"
or using command line "apt-get" application.

But only one or the other at a time. When installing, both will lock some system resources so try avoiding a kill
while installing something. A graphical manager is easier to use because it allows for less freedom, and checks compatibility
of what it offers. It also contains search features.

Alternatively, the "add/remove programs" panel in Kubuntu allows you to do the same tasks.

The syntax of apt-get in command line, for an install, is :
sudo apt-get install program-name

sudo makes this command run as root (prompts you for password), apt-get is the installer, install is what it should do,
and package name is the name of the software you want to install.

If, however, and install fails and your system resources remain locked there ARE workarounds, don't bail yet, I will document them
in the "troubleshooting" section of this how-to.


And PLEASE RESTART YOUR SYSTEM BETWEEN EACH MAJOR STEP TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT IT WORKS AND IMPROVE OVERALL STABILITY.

Finally, HOW TO INSTALL NETWORK MANAGER ON UBUNTU, IN GRAPHIC MODE OR USING APT-GET

(end of part 2..)

(Edited by argo navis on 08-02-2007 16:52)

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-02-2007 18:34

I'm back in front of my computer and connection now and I have just downloaded Ubuntu 7.04. I have verified the download with "MD5SUM on Windows" and I am now burning to disk with "Infra Recorder".
It's all a bit unfamiliar and scary. As the image is being written on slow speed I can see a few messages on the Infra Recorder dialogue box saying "This media cannot be written in streaming mode any more" and "If you like to write to 'preformatted RW media try to blank the media first."
I have no idea what all that means but the programme is still writing to disk.
Once this is done, hopefully correctly, I plan to partition my hard drive to install Unbuntu.

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-02-2007 18:48

Well that was unsettling, just after posting ^that^ I went to the little boys room and when I returned I had a nice blue screen with all sorts of warning on it the only one I managed to write down before my system closed down and restarted was 0x000000D1 0x00000070 0x00000002 0x00000000 0xa8f72DFA

Perhaps I will step off the throttle and read a lot more before proceeding. New things make my head scratchy and my stomach hurt.

argo navis
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2007

posted posted 08-02-2007 21:42

Hey, Infra Recorder is just a Windows app which happened to crash, no need to write down
the digits, I don't know anything about those All I know is that if it complains about "the media",
it complains about the dvd in use, saying "it cannot be rewritten once more in streaming mode"
(implying it has been written many times or is preformatted for read/write in a way that prevents further stream write - eg. fast action).

Basically, try either to set your recorder software to erase (blank) the dvd (media) first,
or another cd/dvd (media).

I just try to speak nerdy when I am face to face with weird error boxes.

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-02-2007 22:40

Well it looks like i've been stopped in my tracks before I begun. My DVD-RW will not work after that last attempt to burn to disk.
Sod it, I'm going back to DOS 6:22

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-03-2007 01:32

That was a weird CD problem.
So this is the first stage of the install and I am writing this using Firefox in Ubuntu. Yeah... Just wanted to let you know what stage I'm up to. I'm off to carry on with the install. Fingers crossed.

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-03-2007 02:46

We're in and up and running. Completed the install and 104 updates, without a single hitch. It's getting a little late here in Blighty and I've an early start in the morning, but I think I'll have another look through this thread and follow the links to some more goodies.

argo navis
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posted posted 08-03-2007 10:57

Very good In the meantime I will document the "install XGL/Compiz" part of my mini-tut.
Although you can find very good directions all through the thread.

Haven't got down to screencapping, but I finished configuring all the visual plugins I wanted and benchmarking the whole lot
yesterday. This thing rocks, plain and simple.

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-03-2007 11:35

Woke up to a Feisty Fawn morn, I love the smell of a free new operating system in the morning.
Some things to do today;
I notice there is a new email client called Evolution, I was going to stick with Thunderbird but I may give this a go too.
I've also noticed that my screen refresh rate has changed to a meager 60htz and I can't change it in "System". Now in windows this usually means I have to install an up to date driver I wonder if it's the same here.

I also need to find out how to play music on this. Last night it would look like it was playing MP3's but there was no sound. This was with Rhythmbox . I also need to adjust the sensitivity of the mouse settings the cursor's flying all over the place.

But first I must go and turn an overgrown wasteland into a beautiful nature garden for my daily bread

Btw argo navis, I hope it cool with you that I post my experiences here rather than start a new thread? I think it is better this way don't you?

argo navis
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posted posted 08-03-2007 12:16

I think you should be stripped off, covered in jam, feathers, and dragged through town for daring to post in my thread

Nah, kidding.... I think it illustrates the concept of "anybody can find what they need in Linux" pretty well,
and that it adds a live FAQ to the whole thread. Pretty neat.

>> Now in windows this usually means I have to install an up to date driver I wonder if it's the same here.

Most probably, this is part of the next steps I want to cover - give pointers about. Same thing for MP3 and the rest, so we should be fine quite soon.

reisio
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From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

posted posted 08-03-2007 14:02
quote:
keep in mind that Linux reads NTFS but does not write it


There are at least three different ways to read and write NTFS from GNU/Linux.

argo navis
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posted posted 08-03-2007 14:18

I mentionned ways to read and write, but probably you can add up to the topic, what are those three ways?
I also mentionned that, in my understanding, it required additional software modules, is that incorrect?

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-03-2007 19:18

I know we are all rather excited about Ubuntu and Linux in general but I have to say the path is not easy. The initial install has gone well enough but tracking things down both on my system and online can be a nightmare.

For instance playing MP3's. On the help page here the recommendation is to "install the package libxine1-ffmpeg (which will install libmad0 as well). fine and dandy but why not provide a link to wherever I can find "libxine1-ffmpeg" to install?
I've also been informed by "Add/Remove" that I can't install Flash on my machine as it does not support 64bit! Major bummer.

So I'm still happy with learning and using the operating system but it's an uphill struggle There's plenty of documentation guides and support out there but that is part of the problem too. I've spent the last six hours of my life trying to get my screen to stop flickering (refresh rate) and to get my music to play. I still can't hear my music but I think the flickering has improved. I went to System> Administration> Restricted Drivers Manager and enabled my NVIDEA. The refresh rates offered then are still only 50 to 57 mhtz are the only screen res I can get is 1020x768.

OK I know the answer may well be staring me in the face but I want the answer to tap me on the shoulder and say "Try this buddy"
I think I'm getting Adobe withdrawal symptoms I'll have to switch to XP for a Photoshop therapy session.

(Edited by Tao on 08-03-2007 19:21)

argo navis
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posted posted 08-03-2007 20:59

I love the "try this buddy" metaphore.

It really sums up user expectations and where Linux stands in terms of... well, meeting those.

My guess is that your default "Nvidia drivers" suck and you have to update them with something more spicey - which is, btw, the very same difficulty I encountered with ATI.
Let alone the message "cannot install Flash", that doesn't make sense technically speaking, my laptop is 32 bits I swear and youtube plays stuff smoothly - so probably another improper driver
like motherboard driver. Or wrong file for install. All those things for which Linux doesn't tap your shoulder.

Still, you got it as far as installing on dual boot, running smoothly, and connecting, quite a way, so... my recommendation : get days of XP Photoshop, but don't bail until I finish introducing you to XGL
and a 3d desktop that does blow my screen away - AND - improves usability a lot.

To me, Linux means all that I summed up on page 1 : more in all possible ways, and it has been doing that only since I started this thread (again thank you).
I am also observing that I have a professional perspective on software, and as a C guy, that this background does come into play to compensate for the.. confusing support.

Let me screencap as I tweak more..

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
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posted posted 08-03-2007 22:19

I'm just blowing off some steam argo but thanks for the calming balm
I tend to get a little twitchy if my music is taken away from me for any great length of time. I'm stumped as to why I can't hear my Miles Davis therapy in Ubuntu the system make noises but not the player. Ah well, I'll get there sooner or later.
I found this site quite helpful for panicky probies like myself. I know I can always post on the Ubuntu forum if I get really stuck but so far (all available tarsals crossed) this thread and the installer has been enough.

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-04-2007 00:17

Tao-

Take a look at Envy for your video driver issues.

The sound thing is tougher- do you not have sound at all (an ALSA issue), or just playing mp3s and such (codec issues)?

if you need "libxine1-ffmpeg"- open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg <return> <root password>"- if it doesn't work, please post the error.

this is gonna sound bad, but go back and read all of my posts on this thread, I spoke to most of this already and in greater detail. I mean this with no disrespect- just strapped for time.

Most if these issues- ask about them on #ubuntuforums on freenode (on IRC), people there are really nice and helpful, I hang there a lot, too.

the "flash not available on 64-bit distros" is a known issue... it's why I run 32-bits even though I have 64-bit power here. You're not missing much unless you have > 4Gb of RAM; the tech will catch up.

Yes, the install is the easy part, the config is the "hard" part. Don't despair; the internet (us) is your tech support!

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-04-2007 00:41

Open yer Miles Davis in Totem- does it offer to download the codec?

reisio
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From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

posted posted 08-04-2007 00:49

You can run Flash on an otherwise 64-bit system.

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-04-2007 01:41

I stand corrected:
Flash 9 install script for AMD64 (nspluginwrapper) - Ubuntu Forums

Warning: Haven't tried this.... YMMV.... etc....

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-04-2007 02:54

I will go back and read through your posts again Petskull thanks, and no, I do not take offence at your suggestion. You are a good pal who is trying to help me so I can handle it. I am a plodder when it comes to learning new stuff I have found over time, but I do get there in the end.
On the Flash thing I followed the link and down;loaded the nsplugin-wrapper but on install where I get to this point;
3. Inside the folder that extracts is a "nspw install" file, double click on it.
4. Select "Run in Terminal"
The terminal window asks for my password but the window will not let me type anything, cursor stays blinking is all.
Also I tried Envy which seemed to work but I followed some geezers suggestion in a blog to perform a clean-up of install files after I did that all my Firefox windows lost the top navigation and title bars so I could neither move the browser window or close it
and now that I've come to look I can't find said geezers blog or name to check I followed the instructions correctly.
I think I damaged the install trying too many things at once so I'm considering wiping the partition clean and starting over. Which should be fun.
Perhaps this time I will go for the 32 bit install.
The daily grind went well to-day so I wont have to work outside all weekend. That means I can have more fun doing this.
Did I mention I got wobbly windows to work? gotta love that.
I can hear the land of Nod calling.
See yo over the weekend, be careful, it's a jungle out there.
Tao

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-04-2007 10:29

The terminal window will appear not to take anything- as protection against people over your shoulder. Just type your password and hit <enter>.

I reinstall all the time whenever I poke around too much in my system. I keep all of my data on a separate partition, so it's no biggy. Then everything seems so clean... remember to write down all of your lessons learned (I just keep replying to this email from myself)

for example, today I learned that bootchart will make charts of your system as it's booting- so you can catch the bottlenecks. They get dumped in '/var/logs/bootchart/'.

Then, in /etc/fstab', I changed the '1's at the end of the lines to '0's and it boots *much* faster. NOT TO MY ROOT PARTITION... but to my fat32 drives and such... must make a note to do this periodically, though a defrag of those partitions from Windows works just fine.

I poked a few more bootup things in sysv-rc-conf in my laptop and now the boot takes FOREVER.... may reinstall. I've been thinking about it anyway as I don't like what I've done with the panels and the colors and it's just easier to reinstall.

I leave Envy alone... it loves me, I love it... I don't mess with it too much..

be back soon...

CPrompt
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From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 08-04-2007 16:27
quote:

Tao said:

For instance playing MP3's




MP3 format is not open source so it's not included with Linux (at least that's what I have been told). If you are ripping CD's then I might suggest trying the ogg format or FLAC. flac is awesome and lossless format

The lib that you need should be available in the adept manager. If it isn't enable the "Universe" repositories and it should show up. Just do a search for MP3 and it should give you a bunch of stuff. Try XMMS player as well.

If you are playing a cd and no sound, I had that problem once a while back. The CD player needed to be ran into the sound card. Not real sure why Winders could play without it being connected directly to the sound card and linux had an issue with it, but it worked after that.

On another note, my linux hard drive just took a nose dive last night apparently. I have 2 hard drives, 1 SATA with WindowsXP and an IDE with Linux on it. I set it up so that GRUB would give the option of either Windows or Linux...and apparently it all went south for some reason.
I got up this morning and flicked on the monitor to find a black screen that said "Primary Drive not Found. Press F1 to continue". Well, F1 did nothing but give me the error again. Unplugged the Linux drive and got the same screen but F1 will now boot into Windows. Plugged up the Linux drive and unplugged the Windows drive and nothing. So...going to just re-install with a fresh Fiesty Fawn. Although, I might just try Gentoo for giggles and see what that is all about.

Later,

C:\

(Edited by CPrompt on 08-04-2007 16:31)

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-04-2007 17:48

It's not that mp3s won't work with Linux, it's that the licensing issues made installing the codecs on Linux, well, a bitch. Take Ubuntu for example- they try to keep is as free as possible, and as a result they don't bring the codecs by default.

HOWEVER, nowadays Totem will prompt you to download and install the encoders the first time you play an mp3.. the following links will show you how easy it is.

http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/index.php
http://hivltg.co.uk/?p=8

I still rip to mp3 for the same reason I still keep my data on a fat32 partition- it may not be the best, not even close, but damn if it's not universally accepted...

argo navis
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posted posted 08-04-2007 22:42

That (restarting from scratch) is what I did a couple of times the first days, but now that it works, I am removing one remaining glitch at a time
and customizing to the extreme.

The above posts should be packed in a FAQ, me thinks, with a link to this : detailed answers are good, but I like several levels of details.
General pointers -> links -> more detailed information -> links -> etc..

This said, I fixed three minor glitches in a row today, namely, MP3 and all media was working through VLC (I was adding whole folders of MP3 since there isn't a real playlist there),
but now my xine engine is equipped as well.

Other than that, my grub is shining with colors, and all my data is on an ntfs partition that I can read AND write, including wallpapers and stuff.

This thread deserves a perma-entry in the faq, off again to do that AND post my screencaps. Glad you're enjoying it Tao, past the Wobbly Windows, when you get the cube and other things to work,
you'll find some stuff that is very useful eye candy (alt tab and variations, I cannot stop switching windows now). I had problems with the first install of compiz for two reasons :
past versions need plugins to be loaded in a specific order (but not compiz-fusion), and my key mapping... my <Windows> keyboard key is still not decoded as what it should, so shortcuts for 3d desktop features... er.
did not work until I configured them properly.

From boot time to shutdown, I want, and now can afford every second of my user experience to be as I want it.

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-05-2007 01:26

Just to keep you updated, I went off the radar there for a while on all OS but I'll talk more of that "episode" at a later date. Thank goodness i have burnt a live Ubuntu CD.
I have been using Feisty 64bit but I'm following Petskull's advice and I'm downloading the 32bit version as I type and so hope to burn this to disk (never done that before in Ubuntu) and use that as my default OS. Then I should be able to use Wine to install Photoshop.
I still have no music or video yet but I'll worry about that on the 32bit install. Just before I start I'm going to take the machine apart to check that I have the sound card connected physically to the CD drive.
Funny thing, I started off trying Ubuntu as a matter of interest and experiment. Now it is my only OS and any difficulties I have experienced have be down to my ineptitude.
I'm checking the Forums, reading the FAQ's and starting to really enjoy the experience.
Tao

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-05-2007 11:45

btw- run this as root to get your DVDs working-

/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh

/me rushes out again...

CPrompt
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From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 08-05-2007 16:06

Well, I'll post a little tip if you want to have a dual boot with two hard drives. My setup is one SATA drive and one IDE but it should work the same with matching drives.

  • Windows installed on one drive.
  • Disconnect Windows drive and put in other drive, set to primary and install Linux. I disconnect the drive because the first time that I did this, even though I told Linux to install on the SATA drive, it still wrote over my Windows (bad day that started out to be)
  • After Linux is installed on the second drive, it should be Primary drive at this point of course, put in Windows drive and set it to slave. Of course there are no jumpers on a SATA drive but the motherboard will take care of which is primary and which is slave. Mine has markers stating SA0,SA1 on the connectors.
  • Now we have one drive that is Primary and it has linux on it and one drive that is slave and it has windows on it.
  • Windows is picky and wants to always be the Master drive so we have to trick it into thinking that it is. From a command line, edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst


You will see a bunch of stuff in there but what you want to have is a section like this :

code:
title		Windows XP
rootnoverify	(hd1,0)
savedefault
makeactive
map		(hd0) (hd1)
map		(hd1) (hd0)
chainloader	+1



The section of "map" there you will see there are 2 section of it. That is what makes Windows think that it's still in charge but we are actually using GRUB as our bootloader.

The other file is still in /boot/grub and is called device.map. You should have something like :

code:
(hd0)	/dev/sda
(hd1)	/dev/sdb



This is where hd0 is pointing to the Linux drive and hd1 is pointing to the Windows drive. You should be able to look at fstab to see how your drives are mounted for the /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. Should have to change the device.map file but it will give you a good reference of how your drives should be mapped. The key file is the menu.lst and the dual map section.

Hope that makes sense.

Later,

C:\

(Edited by CPrompt on 08-05-2007 16:08)

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-05-2007 17:25

Petskull sorry, I don't understand what "run this as root" means, or how or where /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh may be used I tried that in a Terminal window but the machine just laughed at me

Don't forget, I am a bear of little brain.

I've downloaded Ubuntu 7.04 32bit twice now but each time I try to burn to disk at medium and slow speeds I get an error message. I don't know how to do the MD5SUM thing in Ubuntu, to verify the contents. I did it in windows for the 64 bit version. (nb just realised the "Check CD for Defects" option on the intro screen. I'll do that now)
What to do??? I am going to download another 32 bit version of 7.04 and read some more to see if I can ascertain how to check its integrity.
I'm not particularly asking for help here btw, I'm just documenting my difficulties and successes as I go along. Though help is always welcome in any walk of life.
AT the moment I have nothing on my 400gig drive and it seems I've been blocked from transferring my XP home from my old machine to this so I'll be using the full amount for Ubuntu.

I read how to check the integrity of the download, but this does not really mean anything to me.

quote:
Go to the download directory
Then run the following command from within the download directory.

md5sum ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso



I downloaded to the desktop so what do I use to run the command. That is the question that bothers me. I opened up a Terminal window but I do not know if it worked or if that is the correct procedure.
I guess it's time I introduced myself to the "Absolute Beginners Forum" now that I have registered.

(Edited by Tao on 08-05-2007 19:15)

kuckus
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From: Glieberlermany
Insane since: Dec 2001

posted posted 08-05-2007 20:20

Cool to see more linuxers here

Tao, "run /path/to/executable_file as root" with ubuntu means, "enter 'sudo /path/to/executable_file' into a terminal."

The sudo command gives you administrative ("root") priviliges for that command and asks for your password... If you want all the details :

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
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posted posted 08-05-2007 21:36

Cheers kuckus
Do I check the integrity of a download (7.04 32bit version) in the same way when it says

Go to the download directory
Then run the following command from within the download directory.

md5sum ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso

kuckus
Paranoid (IV) Mad Librarian

From: Glieberlermany
Insane since: Dec 2001

posted posted 08-05-2007 22:23

No, as you are the owner of that iso file you should be fine without sudo there...

What does it say when you cd to the directory and run the command, perhaps md5sum is not installed on your system?
"sudo apt-get install md5sum" would download and install the MD5 sum tool if it isn't present.

I have to admit I never check downloaded isos, I just burn & install and never had a problem.

Petskull
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From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 08-05-2007 23:42

what's the error it gives you when you run it? Just copy-n-paste it in here...

are you running "md5sum ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso" when you should be running "md5sum ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso"?

(Edited by Petskull on 08-05-2007 23:48)

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-06-2007 00:17

There are two messages saying the same thing. One on the pop up box that shows the progress of the image being written and another pop up when the disk is ejected. Both messages are "An error occurred while writing" One box gives an option to "Make another copy" and the other suggests writing at a slower speed.

This has happened about six times now at different speeds I have written at almost the slowest speed offered on one of them.
I have a copy of Ubuntu 7.04 64bit, that checked OK with md5sum while I was using windows, but I decided that I was going to install the 32bit version as the 64 bit does not support Wine and I want to be able to use Photoshop.

The thing is I am now using one of the disks that was reported having an error while writing. I have installed it and updated it and so far it has behaved. I have done this once before but then that installation started to freeze and the screen started to break up on boot so I felt I had to start over again.
I'll try to install PS on this present installation with Wine and see how that goes, at least that is the plan.
I do not know how to run md5sum in Ubuntu I wish I did, as I mentioned earlier the instructions given on the help page made no sense to me.
This is the help page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM


(Edited by Tao on 08-06-2007 00:20)

(Edited by Tao on 08-06-2007 00:22)

kuckus
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From: Glieberlermany
Insane since: Dec 2001

posted posted 08-06-2007 12:54

Hm.. do you know how to change directories in a terminal window?
After opening a new one, you're usually in "~", short for "/home/tao/".
Now to get to the folder you downloaded the iso file into, you'll have to use the "cd" command - e.g. "cd Desktop/" if you let FF save the file to your desktop.
You can use "ls" to get a list of the files in the current dir to check if it is the one containing the ubuntu iso.
If it is, enter "md5sum ub", press the tab key, and the shell should automatically complete the file name for you

argo navis
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posted posted 08-06-2007 19:00

Up to me for a question, and a rather advanced one to challenge your inner geekiness

I am running XGL as a separate Window manager, starting my sessions under KDE or XGL at will.
Now, I encounter on XGL the problem described here : shutdown/restart 'n' the likes are missing from my log out dialog

See linkie for details : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=244662&page=8

So, the only fix that seems to handle this under kde is the one mentionned about linking special files like this :
maverick:/var/run/xdmctl# ln -s dmctl-:0 dmctl-:1
maverick:/var/run/xdmctl# ln -s xdmctl-:0 xdmctl-:1

In fact, those dmctl and xdmctl files represent, respectively, a pipe and a socket used by the system to send restricted calls to shutdown/hibernate/restart functions.

So far, so good, but in KDE 3.3+, kdm shoots the xdmctl folder on each restart, to recreate it.

...One easy fix would be kicking xorg off and using xgl and only that (given the fact it works better for my needs).

But I don't want that at all, I like my session switcher.
So, I went all the way to the debian bug tracking mailing list, to find that the following is supposed to do the trick :
sudo touch /var/run/xdmctl.keep

Eg. this command is supposed to prevent kdm from further overwrites on the mentionned xdmctl folder.
But it fails miserably.

...Anybody has an idea what this stands for? Currently, the reported bug (it is one) is on status "wishlist", and it's... well, bugging the hell out of me.

Any pointers are welcome.

argo navis
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posted posted 08-06-2007 21:26

(tried all possible ways to issue a - sgrunt - damned ln command from startup scripts : kdm's, kde's autostart, debian specific /etc/init.d/... painful problem :
best would be a script that runs as root from my kde autostart, but how do I set that script to run as root without hindering the security model... mumblemumble...
eg. how do I set a script to run as root without granting root access to many things of the system at once?)

Anyway, I went off to the search/faq only, typed "Linux" in and found plenty of entries already.
But none about XGL (yet) and some broken ones, linking statically to html files from a previous instance of the Asylum (I guess?).

Seems I'll have to do the job, more carefully, of making a thread synthesis over there. Good. (sets reminder to self : get a life, pal..)

Tao
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posted posted 08-07-2007 01:27

Sorry I can't be of any help argo.
I kept the disk that was reported as a faulty burn and have had it installed for a couple of days now and so far so good. I still can't get my sounds working though. I have had help from the Ubuntu "newby" forum but sometimes I just don't understand what they are talking about. The thread is here if you are interested.
I've been advised

quote:
basically you have to recompile alsa which you can download from their page. to compile it you need to extract it and then go like this in terminal from the folder you extracted your files to:

Quote:
sudo ./configure --with-cards=intel8x0 --with-sequencer=yes ; make ; make install


I had a look at their page but I have no idea what I am supposed to download.
As much as I like Ubuntu, and I do, It's proving to be a pain. I've tried installing Photoshop with Wine but at the very last hurdle I find I can not type in the box for the serial number and personal info. (Nuclear bummer).

I'm working on my other machine now (it's in bits atm) and I'm actually looking forward to installing my original version of XP back on it again for soothing tunes and loadsa Photoshop therapy.

Ubuntu is a great OS but not good enough to be my only OS and perhaps not my main OS either. It demands far too much from me, more than I can give at the present moment.
Tao

argo navis
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posted posted 08-07-2007 09:14

It's ok pal, I don't own shares of Ubuntu o) - I am sad people jumped at giving you "tech savvy" command line based
advice when all you needed was probably a bunch of clicks in the right dialog : listening and talking to others
in appropriate words is a far more difficult skill than computer science.

I understand that if myself, having a technical background, am facing difficulties that take hours and tons of reading to resolve,
the OS is demanding too much from users with other interests.

But I still want to stress that using a commercial XP opposed to using a free Linux is, with appropriate time and experience..
well, how can I phrase that?

It's not only about enthusiasm : my compiz fusion unloads the CPU to lay most of the drawing charge on the GPU, multitasking
is so stable I can run three high def videos side by side, and as opposed to Windows, in *this* world I can configure everything
- so basically, my computer does feel put to better use for reasons.

All in all, it's a lot less "marketable" yet in free distros, but a LOT more professionaly and cleverly conceived in technical terms, and with
the appropriate configuration, is THE tool of choice for anyone who is about using 100% of that cutting edge hardware,
and not the 66% Windows barely delivers before slowing to a crawl as the registry and file system get bloated.

I have no analogy, but no doubt the little guy in Die Hard 4 is running a Debian (as well as trinity in Matrix btw)

Tao
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posted posted 08-07-2007 13:16

Good stuff argo made me smile
I'd say i haven't a technical bone in my body, but I have built computers from scratch before and I do nearly all my computer servicing myself. I am slightly dyslexic too, numbers make me feel ill.
I really want to support all open source projects like this and I still intend to use the likes of Ubuntu, if it will let me in to play.
I have about 4/5 gig of RAW photographs to process this week and most other weeks too. I really need Photochop for that (heh meant Photoshop). So not having that hurt, especially as my other machine was in bits in the bench at the time. I know it is possible to use PS in Ubuntu using wine, but I have yet to master that magic.
No sound or video for that matter on my Ubuntu. I've perused for answers but received some gibberish as advice, gibberish to me anyway, perhaps it was Klingon.
I have not given up the good fight, and it does seem like a battle at times, I've just put this project on the back burner until I can get some more usability out of the software.
I do like the Cube desktop and other pretty things like burning windows so I'll be checking back often.
Good luck with your "glitches" too



(Edited by Tao on 08-07-2007 13:22)

Tao
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From: The Pool Of Life
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posted posted 08-07-2007 13:36

I think I should add that I would encourage anyone who is interested to try it out at least. You don't need to make a partition for that either. When you burn the ISO to disk it acts as a Live disk, you can get a flavour without committing yourself, although you need to install to save any documents or work you may create.
The difficulties I have experienced may be due to the configuration of my particular computers hardware and software and not Ubuntu itself.

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