Topic: How would you do this in photoshop?

Very high contrast, highly saturated hues..sounds simple but how does he do it?

http://www.davehillphoto.com/

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I'm no photographer, but I think it's all about the lighting, using various types and angles to get a great contrast.

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zavaboy said:

I'm no photographer, but I think it's all about the lighting, using various types and angles to get a great contrast.

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I have to disagree..this looks so photomanipulated it's not even funny.

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Definitely manipulated... so much so that they don't even look real anymore. I have no idea how you would accomplish this in PS. I'm guessing it's not a simple one- or two-step procedure, though.


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Looks like some of the stuff very often produced by Photomatix, typically (and and not very accurately) referred to as HDR.

Buried in one of the interviews...

http://www.diyphotography.net/creating-that-dave-hill-look

Looks as if ZBoy is correct with the lighting.

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(Edited by NoJive on 03-23-2008 13:02)

Your link doesn't suggest that at all.

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...the Dave Hill post processing look...

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That says it all; a high-pass/blur effect. The author even goes so far as to emulate it.

Sorry I should have been more specific...

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Well, I'm not sure if there is a "style," but I do tend to light in similar ways, even if the audiences and subjects are totally different. I have definitely studied and used other people's lighting styles that have been around way before me.

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I didn't really know any freelance photographers at the time and didn't really know what I was doing, lighting-wise

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If the shoot involves a planned concept, I usually have a good idea of how I will light it before I arrive on set.

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The lighting bits can be found in this interview.

http://www.photographyisrad.com/[quote]

Better?

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isnt that HDR as its finest?


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That's definitely HDR ... (or very high ISO) ... btw I think that the effect usually associated with HDR is garbage ... which happens when hdr is done incorrectly (not enough differently exposed shots or incorrectly exposed shots combined resulting in ugly dark/light edges and overdone contrast) imo emulating hdr is even worse.

The general idea of hdr is to provide equal amount of detail on all levels of lightning.

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The intention of HDRI is to accurately represent the wide range of intensity levels found in real scenes ranging from direct sunlight to shadows.

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Wikipedia

Here's a nice tutorial for PS CS2: LINK
I can't find the really good one right now that explained how you need to take up to 7 differently exposed shots depending on scene etc... just 3 shots is often not enough.

there has to be more than just lighting going on.

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It's definitely a combination of lighting and post-processing. There's a nice tutorial on Flickr (as referenced by the article NoJive linked) that seems to emulate the effect really well. I just tried it on a picture of the Queen with rather pleasing (if unflattering) results...

I just played in Photoshop to see how much contrast i could get to fake an HDR. I'm convinced those photos are as fake as the Easter bunny - damn, I hope there'z no kids here:

Before

http://www.sleepingwolves.com/portfolio/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0024.jpg


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http://www.sleepingwolves.com/images/posts/hdr.jpg

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Odd you should bring this up.

I ran across an article on Scott Kelby's blog the other day on this very technique.

http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/date/2008/03/page/2

Scroll down to March 6th, "Getting That Cool Gritty Look Right in Camera Raw and Photoshop or Lightroom."


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Looks like there is more than just photoshop involved here. Several different programs and techniques at least imo.

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crazyhorse said:

Looks like there is more than just photoshop involved here. Several different programs and techniques at least imo.

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Agreed...the lighting is critical for example....but post-processing is evident.

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I might be going out on a limb here but would it be possible to achieve this effect by:
1. A mixture of controlled soft ambient lighting & directional spot lighting in general for the shoot.
2. A mix of layers slightly similar to achieving HDR manually as follows:

Layer 1: Severely underexposed image to bring out extreme highlights (on SCREEN MODE)
Layer 2: Severly overexposed (practically white) image to bring out shadows (on MULTIPLY MODE)
Layer 3: Properly exposed image for mid tone detail (on NORMAL MODE) With increased midtone contrast (in Adjust/Shadow/Highlight)

Maybe?

Two more examples of my own images post-processed to hell:

http://www.sleepingwolves.com/images/posts/DSC_4198.jpg

http://www.sleepingwolves.com/images/posts/DSC_3660.jpg

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Sorry, but these look nothing like what Dave Hill produces ... he has this very special unreal lightning thing going on probably combined with the high iso capabilities of an expensive camera because if you take any of his photographs and view the histogram there's real color information in contrast to the chopped-up kind that you get from blowing up a regular photo.

I like his pictures because they're like paintings and as a reply to some of the earlier posts in this thread I don't think anyone could assume that there has been no "post-processing" going on because you wouldn't really expect a guy to rip pieces of pavement out of a road with his bare hands or a whole orchestra jumping over a another guy who's driving a bike.

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Arthurio said:

Sorry, but these look nothing like what Dave Hill produces ...

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I never said they did. I also never said I was able to reproduce the effect. I was just experimenting with post-processing without using a plugin like lucisarts.

As for Dave Hill, he is just one of dozens of photographers using this technique and in my opinion it has been done to death. Sorry, but not that very original.

In fact, and as far as I know George Fulton has been doing this for the longest time

http://www.at-edge.com/artistimages/GFulton/image4.jpg

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I'm with canastasi there: you can't reproduce that "effect" with Photoshop's filters/effects. It would require highlighting by hand to do it, because from what I can tell from Hill's imagery, he's simply using lighting at the shoot to create most of his effects. And does a LOT of highlighting by hand afterwards, accentuating certain areas and/or single spots.

I like your effect, though, SW. It looks awesome, especially on the car!

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SleepingWolf said:

I just played in Photoshop to see how much contrast i could get to fake an HDR. I'm convinced those photos are as fake as the Easter bunny - damn, I hope there'z no kids here:Before http://www.sleepingwolves.com/portfolio/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0024.jpgand after:http://www.sleepingwolves.com/images/posts/hdr.jpgNature & Travel PhotographyMain Entrance

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Sleeping Wolf...Wow!...I joined the blog late in the discussion and I noticed your Car artwork only after Flik mentioned it....Well Done!...please share!