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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	First of all I need to say that I've not debated these topics for a few years now since I've been so busy with other things in my life. I've kept up with the information but haven't interacted on this level. So I want to apologize in advance for any steps I take into the ad hominem. Please believe that my goal is free and open debate and not a personal attack against any Asylumite because I regard you all as dear friends. That being said, I think you're all full of ***!!! ;) :D ;) WS, the clearheadedness remark was specifically targeted toward what sounded like dabbling in conspiracy theory and nothing more. That is why I wanted to take a closer look at the material DL would be basing his comments on. As far as me not believing what you say, I don't think that's really the issue. I doubt you would want me to simply believe* what you say but rather to be convinced by the weight of your arguments. To be honest I think most of our disagreements are based on our respective and differing world views and not the facts. Perhaps my reply to Ramasax will illustrate that somewhat. [quote] [b]Ramasax said:[/b] So all that being said, the important question is, why did they declare war on us? Islamic extremists are human beings, and human beings have motives for actions they take, and while religion may play a part in the equation, the extremism stems from somewhere else. Any religion will be shaped by the cultural and political environment in which it resides. [/quote] I agree with this for the most part. I think it is critical that we understand why we were attacked. Only then can we form an appropriate response. [quote] [b]Ramasax said:[/b] The GWOT does nothing to help matters, and has only made it worse by driving up recruitment numbers for organizations like Al' Queda as we massacre upwards of a hundred thousand Arabs in a non-proportional response to the acts of a few individuals. [/quote] I very disagree the GWOT does nothing to help. I think just the opposite even going so far as to say it has been long overdue. I think what has been far worse is that we ignored an ever growing threat for decades before taking any action. You point out history going back several decades but unless we understand what's transpired over the last several centuries we won't be able to view this struggle in its entirety. We tend to think that UBL began this war recently but I think it's more accurate to say he merely sees this as a continuing struggle against infidels and for the establishment of God's will on earth. I actually believe he's sincere when he says this in his letters to us. I think he truly believes in this cause and that it destined to prevail because his god wills it. I think many of us in the West are trying to understand our enemy as though they subscribed to the same world view we do. They do not. We are either too arrogant or too ignorant to think there are other ways to view reality than from our own cultural programming. [quote] [b]Ramasax said:[/b] Our dominant religion, Christianity, would blend with the extremism much as Islam has. People are people no matter where they live, and people don't like being stepped on. [/quote] There is some truth in this. I'm sure factions would crop up that would advocate violence and terrorist tactics. There is a significant difference however in the religions which cannot be ignored. Christianity as well as Judaism have both undergone reformations. Islam never has. It must if there is to be a solution to our current problems. In Christianity there are scores of admonitions against the murderous methods associated with terrorism. In Islam there are slim to none. This is a major issue in Islam and is in part the reason the teachings coming from so many of the religious leaders is as hate filled as the actions themselves. Remember that UBL actually received permission from his spiritual leader to kill civilians no 9/11. I admire his dedication to his beliefs, I truly do. I must point out that the struggle against this radical brand of Islam was not only fought by infidels like us but also other Muslims in history. This brand of extremism dates back to the height of the Islamic empire in the 7th century. The Ottomans had to quell these factions on more than one occasion in fact. I think that's enough for this post. There's so much ground to cover. . . . : [url=http://www.bugimus.com][img]http://www.bugimus.com/sigs/small-sig1.gif[/img][/url] : . . [url=http://www.bugimus.com/]Innervating Your Eyes & Mind[/url] : . . . Loading...
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