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Bugs. With all due respect, I have decided not to even attempt to post to your replies in this thread. All the information that you need is out there (thanks Ram, for posting some of it here). If you truly believe that you are thinking clearly, then you could easily access the information - the internet is an amazing tool in that regards. I have done this, researched the issues profoundly and deeply. I do wish to set the record straight on one thing, however. [quote]And for the record, I never favored military action against Iran that was you. I still believe we have a good chance of getting the people of Iran to rise up against their oppressive government. I believe the younger Iranians are rather pro-Western and would love to be free from the current situation if they had enough support. So, no, I do not support military action in this case. I think that should be our last resort. But I must add that they simply cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons so if military action is the only way to achieve that then so be it.[/quote] Now, I know that the mists of time tend to obscure a memory of events and things said. What I posted to this regards is that I did not support the military invasion of Iraq, and that instead (since a military option was being used in the ME) that Iran was a better target (and then NK). I would have preferred that the US took care of Iran instead of the morass that is now Iraq. I know that you believe that somehow the people of Iran are supposed to "rise up" against their oppressive government, yadda yadda yadda. It isn't going to happen. That statement from you really reveals how little you know and understand Iran, the people there, and the form of Government that they have. Ram did a very good job of dusting off the history of how Iran came to be how it is, and what sort of involvement the US had there before. I think you remember as well the Hostage Crisis from back in the Carter/Reagan days as well, after the overthrow of the Shah. The people of Iran have absolutely no reason to like us, Bugs. They have every reason to hate us deeply. For them, we are lots of pretty words, but our actions speak a totally different language. Of course, their government preys on this, and keeps them in a nice, religiously controlled state of mind. If you have done research on these types of governments, then you will see that historically, the chance of overthrowing one from within is practically zero. As for Pakistan. There is a whole lot I could say about this - but again, I get the feeling from you that it will not make any difference whatsoever to what you think - regardless of what information I trod out, dig up, link, etc. I distinctly remember our conversations before back in the Iraq threads, and I did alot of footwork digging up info, links, etc for you. For the record, Obama is right on the money here. When one is persuing an enemy of the US, one that has struck on our soil, and killed our citizens, I see no reason not to persue the enemy wherever they go. And if you think that Pakistan is a friend of the US, then you truly need to do some research into it! I then see your remarks posted in this thread, years later. All that I posted was wasted on you. So I will refrain from doing so again. Please, carry on as you all will in this thread. I am bowing out. [url=http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/397/]WebShaman[/url] | [i]The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles[/i]
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