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Your Text: Insert Slimies » Insert UBB Code » Close Last Tag \| All Tags UBB Help	Bugs, I go by what I have actually SEEN Mr. Kissinger say on video tape. I looked at that article of yours. It is a link to a blog post about what Mr. Kissinger supposedly said. But there is NOTHING backing it up! You are kidding, right? I hope you have something a bit more substantial to back up [quote]I have not changed my position based on anything but cold hard reasoning. There's come a point where you have to be true to what you believe are the facts of life and the logical conclusions that derive there from.[/quote] Seriously, you do have something more substantial proving that Mr. Kissinger actually has stated what was in that article, right? One more thing [quote]Some dismissed it as just us vs. them rhetoric but here you state we are "absolutely divided".[/quote] First of all, if I was being spoken of here, I did not "dismiss" it. Rather, I see it for what it truly is - and believe me, it is not two divides here, but a multitude of divides, a multitude of "us vs them" that is what is really occuring. The main obstacle here is the two party system in the US. For for all intents and purposes, only through one of the two parties is it possible to practice power. And that is the one that is currently [b]in power[/b]. Thus, one tends to see this struggle, and ignore the real struggles beneath them. In both of the main parties, and across all borders of the US, there are stuggles between many different types of groups, world views, beliefs, groups, etc. Republicans are not just "republicans", not by a long shot! Neither are Democrats (and other party affiliates). There is the far Right, the Religious Right, the Moderates, etc and there is the far Left, the Loonie Left (ok, I threw that in there, so sue me ;) ), Moderates (Liberals, right?), etc. All these groups struggle for control of the parties as a whole. What we see a lot of, is the "us vs them" mentality, and it tends to blind us (sort of like the cannot see the forest for the trees syndrome). Especially the far Right and Left like to have this view of things (for they always think of it as "us vs them", either you are with us, or against us) - extremist viewpoints. The Media of course thrives on this, for it sells better than other types of views. But America is the great melting pot. It is infused with a bewildering amount of cultures, traditions, races, practices, groups, you name it! To be honest, one sees a lot of "Right vs "left", and somehow, there is a lot of "independents" out there, who are supposed to side with one or the other (we see this all the time, as one party attempts to out-bid the other in attempts to "woo" the Independent voters over, primarily due to the two-party system that "shares" power - to be precise, competes for power would be a better description). Of course, these "independents" are really not supposed to exist, not for those who are Republican or Democrat. It just does not fit into the two-party, "us vs them" mentality. But it is there. So no, I do not believe that there is a "great divide" in America, not like you or twItch^ have put it. Instead, I think there are many divides, many fences in America, that are jumbled into the Republican, Democrat, and Independent mold, and they certainly are competing with one another. It is just that most of these groups are aware that to gain and exercies real power, they have to go through one of the two parties. [quote]A question for Obama supporters: How important is the debt to you? If it's important can you explain why you believe Obama will cut government spending enough to bring down the debt? McCain is the only candidate that is calling for spending cuts and Obama is calling for increased spending almost across the board. I once thought he would claim a savings in spending on the war but recently he's changed his position on the war and wants to pull out of Iraq and send all the troops to Afghanistan so no savings there at least judging from his own words.[/quote] Ok. Now, I consider debt to be pretty damned important. Now, why do I consider Obama to be a better pick to do the job than McCain? Well, that is easy enough to answer. I personally do not know if either candidate is going to be able to find a way to reduce spending. I don't know if it is even going to be possible - things are really pretty bad, and I am not sure what exactly is the best course of action at the moment. I can say this - McCain is not very trustworthy. He flip-flops on positions (he has been doing it for quite awhile now, and it is well documented, especially on what he says), so I really do not trust him to be able to implement anything he says. Here is what I expect Obama to do - get some good people together (he is really good at doing that, btw - actions speak louder than words here, as usual), and let them put their expertise to good use. Then I am sure he will make the decisions that have to be made. The most interesting thing is, that it could be that Obama gets the "political mandate" - such a majority of Democrats in both House and Senate, that no Republican filibuster is possible. If so, he can basically push through just about anything that he wants, with impunity. And considering the state the US is in, he will probably need to be able to do that, in order to reverse the unbelievable amount of damage that Mr. Bush has caused in 8 years. Because that is what he has been doing all along. That is how he won the Democratic Nomination (against what was considered an "unbeatable Clinton", mind you) out of nowhere. And that is how he came out of that struggle, and put the hurt to the Republicans and McCain. He's smart, articulate, gets good people in the right place, and makes good, sound decisions. He is not perfect - nope. Show me a politician that is. But you have to admire what he has accomplished in such a short time, and who he has defeated, and how. McCain has proven, time and again, how to make the wrong decisions. Palin was the cherry topping. Not only that, but a McCain in office (let us not consider the "dead McCain and Palin as Pres" thing, please) will be gridlock. A Republican President, without any sort of political mandate at all is a disaster, especially at a conjuncture like the one America is facing now. And no, I do not think that McCain is remotely interested in working with the other party. At least, his idea of doing so is more like Mr. Bush's idea of it - you do it my way, or the highway. That is not reaching out to the other side (and to be quite frank, the other side here will have huge majorities in both the House and Senate, not a good thing for getting anything done, as we all well know). So what I am really confused about is your stance. You KNOW how things work in American politics. You know that the House and the Senate has Democratic majorities (and may get that "magic number" here shortly to prevent filibustering). How is McCain&Palin supposed to be able to implement anything that they have suggested, Bugs? And please, do not come back with the "oh, they will reach out" stuff. We all know that would not happen. Why would you want to have such a "lame duck" President in office, when America is being faced by some of the most pressing problems it has ever had? McCain is not Reagan - he does not have the charisma, nor the stature. Quite frankly, a McCain Presidency would be a total disaster when one considers the political landscape (by this, I mean for the American People - I am sure that McCain would make sure that his buddies get theirs, just as Mr. Bush's buddies got theirs). No, I think you are just going to have to make a "leap of faith" and give Obama the benefit of the doubt here. Because he has the best political landscape, the best conditions, to actually make those changes that the Country desperately needs. And since actions speak louder than words (especially when one is talking about politicians here), what Obama has demonstrated and accomplished so far is pretty amazing, contrary to what McCain has demonstrated and accomplished in the same timeframe. As for Georgia - well, things are not always like they seem - [url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586256,00.html]US envoy: Russia's first Georgia move legitimate[/url] [url=http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/397/]WebShaman[/url] \| [i]The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities. - Sophocles[/i] [small](Edited by [url=http://www.ozoneasylum.com/user/925]WebShaman[/url] on 10-29-2008 16:00)[/small] Loading...
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