Topic awaiting preservation: The "let us use Opera" thread - P01, you still around? (Page 1 of 1)

Ok, after the newest update to FF resulting in it crashing every 15 minutes or so due to memory bloat (or whatever, seems like it eats up large amounts of my memory according to my monitoring), I am fed up.

Since we have P01 around here, I thought that perhaps he might be interested in helping those (like me) finally switch to Opera (being that I have tried Chrome and have it installed, but I really dislike that it is missing some of the things that I enjoy in FF, like tabbing trees, etc). This leaves only Opera remaining, for me (and probably others).

So how about it, P01, you in for helping out and getting Opera steaming along?

BTW - I am running windows 7 32 bit.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

So here are the Add-ons that I use with FF :

Adblock Plus
ClorfulTabs
CSHelper
Download Statusbar
DownloadHelper
Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus
Flashblock
gTranslator
IE Tab Plus
ImTranslator
Logitech Device Detection
NoScript
Perspectives
QuickProxy
Stop Autoplay
Tab Mix Plus
Tree Style Tab
Xmarks

The main question is, how many of these will I need for Opera (or equivalent)? As one can see, security is for me of the utmost priority (since the Browser itself is one of the main doorways into a PC or Device). Using the above, I rarely have any problems when surfing.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Wow, I am finding the switch to Opera 12 to be really SWEEEEET!

And it has such a small footprint! About 2x less than ol' bloated FF!

So, to the question of privacy and protection, do I still need such tools like Adblock Plus, etc?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

I have decided that I like Opera more than FF!

Amazing, but true. I can pin the tab bar to the left side natively in Opera (meaning I don't need some fancy-smancy plug-in to do it!), and I really like the speed dial page - it is very, very intuitive and displays what I want very quickly, without having to jump through too many hoops!

And it seems very stable, so far. I have only experienced one crash to date.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

I've been happy with opera for 6 versions now - and just switched to it's very polished mail client a week ago

I too have been finding FF using up a lot of memory on my win7 64 bit system I did try Opera a year or so back, can't remember why I did not stick with it. I think I should give it a spin Cheers WebShaman

I've been using Google's Chrome for a while now. I'm pretty happy with it.

I have Chrome as well - and I did use it for awhile.

Problem is, I am addicted to tree-style left side tabbing for my many, many tabs.

And Chrome doesn't have it.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Well, Opera has started crashing as much as Firefox

Bleh.

I have gone back to Chrome, which does not crash at all.

I am very, very disappointed in Opera

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

I have tried to use Opera many many times over the years...and I have always found it really annoying and unattractive to use.
I have been using Chrome more and more as FF has become more and more bloated in its memory usage, and have had good experiences all around with it.

^ DL seems to have the ghist of it.

It really looks like Chrome, despite not having all the options that I love from FF, or even from Opera, is the better browser.

It loads lots of tabs fast on my PC, and never, ever crashes (at least not on my PC).

I can't say the same about FF and Opera. They crash about once every 5 minutes. Bleh.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Win XP SP3
Opera 9.26

The only time Opera crashes on my machine is when I'm on a very heavy website. Like over 30 little images just for lay-out hacks and *tons* of JS all over the place doing stupid little things. I honestly can't imagine the mentality of people that develop bloated websites. Ugh. I'm glad Opera crashed.

Thanks for honestly trying something different. Too bad it didn't work for you.
Sorry I wasn't around these days.

Most of the time I use the latest Desktop builds ( 32b at home, 64b at work ). They DO crash from time to time, but hey I often have 3-4 windows with tons of tabs, work on Dragonfly ( the developer tool ) poking pages in another browser and debugging my work using Dragonfly itself.

I used to be a Firefox zealot until I joined Opera. Then I really discovered this browser. I've become power user and there are tons of (micro) features which I don't find in other browsers.

The browser, and pretty much any piece of software, should NEVER crash. It's a bit sad to pride ourselves in not crashing much.

I really wish it was as stable as Chrome is, poi.

I really like what Opera brings to the table.

But like FF, it crashed so often, that even writing a post like this was...difficult, to say the least.

I am posting this with Chrome.

Anyway, thanks for the reply.

If Opera nails down the stability issue, I will switch back in a heartbeat!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

(Edited by WebShaman on 08-16-2012 00:43)

I have no clue what you guys are talking about. On linux, my opera only crashes in conjunction with flash - and so does firefox and I've been attributing it to my wonky flash setup.

On Windows, I haven't seen an opera crash in basically forever...

To be fair to the queen, most stability issues I experience these days with Opera are related to either OutOfProcessPlugins or WebGL; both of which are work in progress.

Have no idea how you managed to crash ff so often. Sometimes it takes some seconds to load ... but the system is more then an year an usually I have 3 -5 tabs open ( most with flash ).
About once at 2 - 3 weeks sure it crashed at all.

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Same as TP - I've noticed Opera crashes regularly on Linux when using heavily either Flash or JavaScript, otherwise I can't remember the last time I saw it crash on Win. And I use it since version 6.

My biggest complaint about this browser is that I find it somewhat slower than before.. I was used to a blazingly fast web browsing experience, but I'm afraid Opera is now falling behind Chrome on this matter.

Is this the reason why Opera announced abandoning their JavaScript engine in favor of Webkit ?

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If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.

Webkit is not a JavaScript engine but a layout engine. Opera switched to Chromium ( the most famous parts being Webkit, WebCore and V8 ) for two main reasons:

• Compatibility issues esp. on mobile. To some degrees standards evangelism has failed: Countless sites and apps are developed and tested only in Webkit based browsers. Despite a team of 15-20 people evangelists and developer relations actively contacting sites owners and companies ( incl. all the big guys: Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Paypal, ... you name it ) with patches and co. it's ridiculously hard to move this giant rock. We have to patch websites continuously. The prime example of this failure is that not only Opera, but MicroSoft & Mozilla had to support some -webkit- CSS prefixes ( with all the quirkiness it brings between old and new syntaxes, cascade, ... )
  
  
• Brain cycles and resources. Opera has been doing good, but it takes an insane amount of resources to implement the latest web standards, maintain everything, ... and re-implement older versions of standards to support "legacy" -webkit- prefixes. Some massive tasks ( Carakan, out of process plugins, multi core support, webGL, hardware acceleration of the web page painting, hardware acceleration of the UI, ... ) have been underway for several years to bring them where they are today. Opera is probably bigger than you guys think but it's not that big. We don't have an army of developers.

Google et al. have done an incredible job with Chromium, their developer relations and performance tools. Web Inspector is amazing to track performance issues.

poi,
I didn't know if you had run across Steve Gibson's discussions of Opera on his security pod cast, but he talks of the security measure Opera has taken with very high praise.

Here's a link to the transcript of one of his pod casts where he talks about it a some length. You can find his other pod casts on that site. He often mentions Opera with very high praise.



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Well, the new build of FF that I am using now (23.0.1) doesn't crash at all.

Haven't tried updating Opera yet.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles