Topic awaiting preservation: If this is freedom of speech, I don´t want it

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Savage is scheduled to have his own weekly one-hour show on MSNBC beginning in March.

Savage routinely refers to non-white countries as "turd world nations" and charges that the U.S. "is being taken over by the freaks, the cripples, the perverts and the mental defectives" (San Francisco Bay Guardian, 9/20/00). In a recent broadcast he justified ethnic slurs as a national security tool: "We need racist stereotypes right now of our enemy in order to encourage our warriors to kill the enemy," he explained (San Francisco Chronicle, 2/6/03).

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LOL!

Rick Savage is a hoot!

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"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.

^^^ I second that silence.

I however most definatley don't second the fact that he's a 'hoot'.

Personally I find him offensive and small minded.

Who's Rick Savage?

Freedom of speech allows everything except slander...
it allows lying, otherwise the saying "let the buyer beware" would not have been created.
it even allows insults.

Rick Savage is one of the hosts 92.1 radio in San Diego (921radio.com). I meant Michael Savage but I was thinking of how bad a forum moderator Rick Savage is... They're both hoots! LOL!

Ok, can anyone explain to me what "hoot" means?

And, though the thread title says otherwise, I don´t think freedom of speech should be denied even to such individuals.
I am just a bit concerned that this person is getting a show on a major US network - maybe I am over-interpreting but what does this tell about the management of MSNBC? Or about what they think people want to hear?

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Commenting on the "Million Mom March" in favor of gun control (which he dubbed the "Million Dyke March"), he dismissed organizers' reference to American children killed by guns (5/15/00): "They?re not kids, they?re ghetto slime... they?re the same kids that are in Sierra Leone toting AK47s."

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When he says they're 'hoots' he means he think they're funny.

I'd just like to add that 'freedom of speech' is intended to allow a person to speak their mind without fear of punishment from their government.

It has nothing to do with what a person should or shouldn't be doing on TV.

He has every right to have his views, he has every right to stand on the street corner spewing them.

There is no inherent right to broadcast them on TV.

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He has every right to have his views, he has every right to stand on the street corner spewing them.

There is no inherent right to broadcast them on TV.

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bingo. i wonder if with the massive backlash msnbc is going to get this guy will ever even get on the air...


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4 words.

Fat Fuck Rush Limbaugh. Shock jockeying is old news..but it all fades into the same pile of waste after a while.

Does he have the right to say it, though? Hell yes...and I'll "defend to the death his right to say it..." Even if it's infantile, baseless, and completely devoid of any grain of intelligence whatsoever.

It's called a boob tube, kids...figure out why you're watching it.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Kenny has to die because he's poor?


Sometimes, Sigmund...a cigar...is Just a Cigar.


Jesus.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

~LMAO~

INI: They're not serious. If you understand Trey Parker and Matt Stone, then you know that their senses of humour are all about irreverence and confrontation.

Yes...this cigar is JUST a cigar. The humour is somewhat baseless...funny because it's just so affrontive. That's the humour in the answer to the question too. It's a lot less nihilistic as it just is irreverent and anti-authoritative.


And now, back to raving bigots...

For some reason I feel strangely thankful that I don't get a majority of American programs over here...

Although I have to admit that my wife and I almost died laughing when we watched South Park last time we were in the States. I suppose that makes us immature. Oh well.

How did this turn into a southpark debate??

Southpark, which is a show that pokes fun at pretty much anything and averything...and stresses the point that no, nothing is sacred, and hypocrisy rules the world, has nothing at all to do with Michael Savage and his ignorant self-hating idiocy.

I love southpark because it does away with the scourge that is 'P.C.'.

Yup, the last time I checked Savage was a raving bigot and South Park was making me laugh at things I could be shot for saying on any university campus.

MW, freedom of speech is really just that, especially political speech.

. . : slicePuzzle

Oh, I wasn't aware that I was debating... that was just my reaction when I first saw South Park. I kind of wish they had it in Korea, but I doubt they could get away with showing it on the military channel, and there's no chance that a Korean station would ever carry it.

Don't mind me... just drifting further off topic here. I guess I'll go get some actual work done.

(just to clarify, the 'debate' comment was not in reference to your post suho)

Hmmm...South Park, eh? Loses all sense of humor in German...it's just stupid. In English, it's a riot....

This Savage guy, I don't know...and could care less. Rush is another goofball...

Discovery channel is great! Either turn the channel, or turn off the tube! Reality is the best show in town, has been for years...hehe...

On a side note...a new 'grouping' of insect has been discovered...31 groupings now!!! Woohooo! *Waits for others to cheer, wonders why no-one does*

*shrugs*

Back to your regularly scheduled drivel, then...




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You know it!

The new group is called the Gladiater...it's a canivore insect, and eats other insects. What is really cool, is how the German scietist found it. He examined an old piece of amber, where a preserved Gladiator was entrapped inside. He then went out, and found the insect, in Africa. Total coolness.

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What really bothers me is that obviously, there IS a demand for that person.
As there was a clear demand and debate around the Jerry Springer show.

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The difference is, IMO that Jerry Springer just gives people the chance to make complete asses out of themselves, and everybody likes to see poeple who are even more stupid than they are. This is not great, not intelligent, and not really needed, but I couldn´t care less about it - To each their own.
But I think this is VERY different from someone who is just plainly a racist, among other things, getting to promote his views on national television - And if there´s a demand for that, it worries me greatly.

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What really bothers me is... South Park. South Park denounces censor abuses and
politeness / politically correct heresies, in part.
But then it works, commercially, because of the masses of teenagers looking for something new,
some new wild sensation, experience.
And those understand South as what it is: pure nihilism. Society is shit, Kenny has to die because
he's poor, it's not worth to get a life. Not worth to stand up for what you desire.

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Got a dictionary? Look up "persiflage", if you´ve got this word in english.
South park is a succes because it is understood as what it really is: A mirror in which we can see ourselves and the great society we live in - And yes, reflected in this mirror you are bound to see lots of nihilism - If you´re poor no one cares if you get healthcare or not, so you die. "fuck" is censored on TV, but if you say you don´t care how many children are killed by guns as long as they are black, you are protected by freedom of speech...
You suffer from acute "shoot the messenger syndrome". South Park is a (very very cynical) humourous view of reality. It does not tell teenagers it´s not worth standing up for anything - It shows them what reality looks like BECAUSE/IF no one is standing up for anything.

"Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one." - A. J. Liebling (1904 - 1963)

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Savage is scheduled to have his own weekly one-hour show on MSNBC beginning in March.

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Its a pity as there are so many more Savages who should have their their own TV slot - Doc and Randy. Clearly the Savage family gene pool was fairly well drained when this one came along

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Hey, let's not forget Fred.

Were you aware that the Nazis are legally protected when they organize marches here in the US? I believe that party is outlawed in Germany, is that correct?

~Polishess his brand new 'suuppa dupa' flame thrower~

Eh... toast him?


<edit-on>As i understood correctly the Nazi's and their organisations are treaded as organised criminals, which is exactly what they are...<edit-off>

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And for kennie... Kennie's role is to die that's what he is created for...the main reason for Kennie to die is well that he actually is Kennie. So he's poor so nobody cares so he is Kennie so.. he has to die.



"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.

Savage does sound like a rather unsavory character, however, I would also defend his right to free speech. That way, I then retain the right to say that I think he's a pompous jackass with the brain of an amoeba. You gotta love this country.

As for South Park, I have to admit that I'm a big fan and I really enjoy the aspect of socal commentary.

As for Nazi's marching in the streets, I'm afraid it's as legal as a Republican rally. The english word "Nazi" is actually derived from the German phrase for National Socialist German Worker's Pary, Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei. In German, the first two syllables "Nati-" are pronounced the way Nazi is pronounced in english, hence the name.

Therefore, a Nazi is technically just a member of a political party. However, even within the Nationalist Socialist party itself, Hitler and those who followed him were in a minority for their way of thinking and it is this part of the Nazi party which gives people the chills.

So, a Nazi rally is not in and of itself anything evil if taken in a purely technical sense and I'm sure they are organized under the "political party" banner. But I'm pretty sure they're not just getting together for some snacks and a hearty sing-a-long. Still, legal nonetheless.

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it"- Patrick Henry

...was true most of my life, was true when I enlisted, is true today..


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The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Yes, he has the right, and should have it, and should be ignored. I agree.

What bothered me in the first place (and still does) is that there are obviously enough people in the management of MSNBC who think
1) there´s a large number of people who want to see this
2) there are companies which will buy commercial time during this show
3) it is responsible to give this person a platform to promote his views

Would anyone of you from the US be willing to actually watch this once, just to find out WHICH companies buy the commercial time? I would really like to know.

I reserve the right to consider him a motherfucker and by golly I'll fight for my right to say it to his face if I ever meet him in the street.

People of his ilk do little more than drag the work of the civil rights movement back 100 years.

Isn't Rick Savage the bass player for Def Leppard?

Petskull, I thought it was Voltaire who said that.

You are right.

"Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one." - A. J. Liebling (1904 - 1963)

really? I coulda sworn it was Patrick Henry..

*cries* My life's a sham!!


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Would anyone of you from the US be willing to actually watch this once

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I would love to. I've only seen him on a couple of interviews and I would very much like to see what his TV show will be like. I will try to do so and report back after it airs.

Just don´t forget to tell us which firms consider the fans of this guy the right target audience for their commercials!