Topic awaiting preservation: MS forces upgrade of MSN/Messenger! (Page 1 of 1)

Just read the news here in Sweden.
From 15'th of october it will only be possible to use newer versions of MSN/Messenger.
Also, they will block out thirdparty progs such as Trillian, Imici and Odigo!

This to "Improve security"...
Personally it feels like "Let's stomp the h*ll out of these smart guys over there so we can continue fo feed the public our magnificent bloatware!"

Gahh! I'm getting so tired with this shit popping up all the time.
/Dan

{cell 260}
-{ a vibration is a movement that doesn't know which way to go }-

Where did you read that?, do you have a link in English? I'll be quite happy to go back to ICQ.

http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/?filter=monopoly



[This message has been edited by Xpirex (edited 08-20-2003).]

Sorry, no english link at the moment.
The swedish link is: http://computersweden.idg.se/ArticlePages/200308/20/20030820112120_CS536/20030820112120_CS536.dbp.asp

/Dan

{cell 260}
-{ a vibration is a movement that doesn't know which way to go }-

Wish I could read Swedish..

Hejsan,
Talar ni Svenska? Jag talar inte Svenska. Förlåt mig?
Hej då...

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

MSN is obviously hated by a lot of people, even me, and at the same time used by most people, even me. Something is wrong

What convinced me to remove MSN from my Trillian

When you'll read this post, MSN will have lost one user, me.



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[This message has been edited by Moon Shadow (edited 08-20-2003).]

What's wrong with them only wanting to support the most recent versions? Most companies only support the most recent versions.

I gues I don't know why they are cutting off the trillian and imici and the like... This, I suppose, I don't like. I happen to use MSN and ICQ both. I flat out prefer Messenger. I think it works better, has an cleaner, customizable interface, and more functionality since the XP version was released. So long as it stays free... I'll stay with MSN Messenger.

A shame though. i was thinking of trying trillian because I was tired of running two progs to chat. Oh well.

Moon Shadow, if you (or anyone else with an hotmail account) read one of those messages you posted (don't know if you did) it says more or less exactly what that news snip I posted at first did.

"NOTICE: If you are not using an updated version, you will be unable to
continue using your MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger Service."

That's the most important line in there I think.

[start rant]
And no, it's not really a problem that they only want to support the latest versions (I like the product as well, even if it's bloated), it's the way they are going about it.

However, this is exactly what they are doing all across their product line.
Are you for example aware that even though w2k-servers are still supported by MS, they force companies like Dell to sell new machines with OEM-licenses for W2003-server and the customer has to special order an install of w2k in their brand new machine and still pay for w2003...
Dell is also forbidden to provide drivers for NT4 to their customers...

Ever wondered why it's really, really hard (if not impossible) to buy a new PC today with w98 or w2k, it's all XP...

Personally I want to choose when, and to what version/product I want to upgrade to!
Fine, I might not get support if I call MS, but hey, that should be a choice made by me, not by them!
[end rant]
(Dan

{cell 260}
-{ a vibration is a movement that doesn't know which way to go }-

Well I look at it this way. It is not cost effective for them to support version of software that will not work with their current software suite productions.

Autodesk supports only two version back in their software packages. This means that, in order to keep the upgrade track you MUST buy the newest version within 3 years of you last purchase. Their softwar costs 4500 dollors now (or thereabouts) Their software would cost more if they had to support all of those different version from the past. The same goes for Microsoft. it isn't just the customer support that's an issue. Have you noticed that they program reverse sving capability into their software? that means that you will get even more bloated software (something that you abhore apparently) just so people who insist on using win98 with office 97 can still work in today's software world. That's ridiculous from a programmers point of view. Not to mention from a systems integration tech.

I understand that you don't want to change. Fine, don't. Just be prepared to accept the consequences. Bloated or not, Microsoft software works, is generally a good product, and is currently in control of the world market in information conductivity. I don't agree with Microsoft's business practices, even if I understand them. I will deal with it though, because if I don't i will be left behind, and that's not where I want to be.

You can custom build your own systems without an OS and still be able to use what you want when you want. I don't see your issue. This specific instance is a FREE SERVICE. It costs you nothing and costs them everything. Why should they allow effectively ancient versions of software to integrate still?



[This message has been edited by GrythusDraconis (edited 08-20-2003).]

Yes, that was a screenshot from my account. Spammed by M$ ! And no, I didn't even bother reading what was in those mails.

Microsoft's domination was ok, as long as they didn't start imposing softwares. If I want to use M$ Money, why in the bloody hell do I have to install the latest IE ? And this is just an example, DmS gave another one about Dell. Microsoft is now crammed with such stupidities.

The problem with M$ is that it fills your computer with unwanted files. It puts its nasty files everywhere, upgrade whenever they want without even asking, access Internet without asking, and most of all, creates holes everywhere. I, as an advanced user, require to know everything that is installed on my computer, and the right to use my computer as I want, and to install only what I want on it. This MSN issue was the dropplet that shouldn't have come... I spent one hour to remove everything M$ I could on my computer. Removed MSN, removed partially IE (it is almost impossible to get rid entirely of that b*tch), made a slaughter in the registry, deleted loads of stupid files. Now, I'm proud to say my Win2000 Pro is clean ! I feel so well without the mess M$ creates.

When will Linux emulate Photoshop ?

Why can't everyone just use jabber?

And that would be?

Why can't everyone just use email?

Jabber is an open source IM protocol. There are lots of different clients that use it (including trillian I believe) I've used it a little. I realy like it except for no one else uses it. because so few know about it.

Trillian doesn't currently support jabber but it is planned for the next release. I can't wait.

for a jabber client try yabber the crew working on yabber are doing some good things behind the scenes, hopefully they'll kick out something new soon

Jason

If i actually knew ppl that use jabber, i probably give it a try.

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Also, they will block out thirdparty progs such as Trillian, Imici and Odigo!

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Yeah, and that'll last for about five hours or so.

I've never heard of this Jabber thing, but it's about time something like it was developed. It's absurd to have corporations controlling and fighting over this simple concept which has become fundamental to the internet.

Trillian 2.0 works fine.

By the way, Moon Shadow, a lot of people also like Microsoft and the products they refurbish or create.

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For those who want a multi protocol client, but dislike trillian clunkiness: http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/1321/rating/



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Miranda is pretty good, but Trillian is catching up.

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I use Trillian for YIM and ICQ and I am pretty happy with it. I have never used MSN and have no intention of ever doing so.

MS, I thought someone had figured out a way to use PS on Linux already. I thought someone posted an article about that not too long ago but I could be mistaken.

. . : slicePuzzle

I searched and found it Bugimus, thanks

http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/007385.html

There was even a FAQ about it... I must be blind.

I may switch to Linux soon hehe

[This message has been edited by Moon Shadow (edited 08-21-2003).]

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Why can't everyone just use jabber?

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Why can't everyone just use email?

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Why can't everyone just use GuruChat?



[This message has been edited by Wes (edited 08-21-2003).]

yeah! I think if you're lookg for a free, platform independant web based chat application and/or client the GurusChat is your best bet

Jason

Guru Chat suffers from the same problem Jabber does. Hardly anyone is ever around. I try to make it a habbit of lurking in there in case I can catch some one to chat with.

From Trillian's user forum :

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"According to the Trillian forums, Trillian already uses the latest MSN IM protocols to connect. As such, this is a non-issue for Trillian users like myself. "
"The article doesn't say that it's a move to prevent 3rd party clients from working. In fact, it points out that MS is providing information for 3rd parties. The only hangup being that MS didn't give a whole lot of notice."
"Well since MSN Messenger 6 uses a newer protocol than any of the previous versions it's quite likely that all MS are doing is banning the use of the older protocols. Since Trillian Pro 2.0 uses the new protocol and Trillian free might well follow suit (especially if this guess is correct) that wouldn't be a worry for Trillian users."

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But too late for me

I still don't understand. It's a FREE product. If you want to show your displeasure of M$, stop BUYING their stuff.

By the way, you can order Dell Servers with no OS at all. As a matter of fact you can order them with Linux configs built-in.

And in light of the last post... it doesn't seem the M$ is doing anything too awful anymore, does it?

It seems that people are more easily riled in their hatred of M$ even when they aren't doing anything terrible.

dang...

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Don't Pick On Me.

Actually Gryth, last I checked, they didn't....

I believe the guy said something along the lines of, "Can't send you a computer with no OS, no way to test it."

However, this may have changed in the last 2 months or so since I called... call the people at Dell and check up on that..


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