Preserved Topic: Can you reccomend me some good web design books ?

So yeah, I'm a little dumbfounded, I'm searching for any good web design books that covers the aspect of web designing, like that jacob nielsen's book ( i forgot the title, can you remind me ? ) so can you help me ? thx in advance

Have you tried Google?

see the books on http://www.photoshopcafe.com

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BlackKingThanatos: Welcome. As you are new feelfree to pop along to our Reception Room for Induction (link in my sig),

I'm faraid you will have to be a bit more specific as web design is a broad field which goes from multimedia to graphic design to coding and databases. If you want something like the Neilsen book then try:
www.zeldman.com/dwws/

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I recommend 'Webpages That Suck' by Vincent Flanders. That is a good book to learn good webpage design through bad webpage design. Do not be put off by the title, the book is well worth it!
http://webpagesthatsuck.com/

[This message has been edited by Wolfen (edited 02-21-2004).]

Why not just looking at some webpages code source?

No book can teach you web design. The only thing that a book can do is to gave you some idea what to do what not to do.

To done web page what you need is HTML + Artistic capability.

With some editor you even don't need to touch the HTML, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DONE IS TO BE ARTISTIC WITH...

Everything you will ever need about web design you will find it on the web so WHY Spending money in some BOOK!

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Welcome BlackKingThanatos.
I would also suggest you do what the first four posts advise.
As for the fifth post?
Why Shout Zigot_Bahn?

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[This message has been edited by Taobaybee (edited 02-21-2004).]

Good suggestion, viol. Google is your friend.

Wolfen beat me to it. Web Pages that Suck is excellent. I also recommend the Big Red Fez.

Taobaybee, that's what he does.



[This message has been edited by Moth (edited 02-21-2004).]

Hehe right, I'm a little unspecific right ? Thx for the lists of book you all but first :

- Emperor : Actually I'm quite new in this web design business and an amateur too, actually what I'm searching for is not bout the graphic design nor the coding ( the practical things ), but actually something that covers more about the fundamental aspect, the paradigm of web designing, like : the do's and dont's of web, the web ideology ( between the structuralist and the presentasionist if I'm not wrong ), and something like that, thx for the link ^_^

- Wolfen : Wow ! that's nice, thx for the link !

- Zigot_Bahn : Yeah i now, actually I'm actively always trying to find good websites and learn from them, but now I'm stuck, I fell like i miss something in the way, and I just think maybe turning to books won't be so bad afterall hehe ^_^ anyway you're right, and I agree with you fully

Anyway if there's anymore recommended books keep 'em coming !!

BKT:

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- Emperor : Actually I'm quite new in this web design business and an amateur too, actually what I'm searching for is not bout the graphic design nor the coding ( the practical things ), but actually something that covers more about the fundamental aspect, the paradigm of web designing, like : the do's and dont's of web, the web ideology ( between the structuralist and the presentasionist if I'm not wrong ), and something like that, thx for the link ^_^

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Then thats the book for you!!

Anyone read Mrs Z's web design on a shoestring book?

I think you also need to read:
http://development.gurusnetwork.com/tutorial/wbtgd/

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http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/productCd-0764508237.html


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Bleah...

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No book can teach you web design. The only thing that a book can do is to gave you some idea what to do what not to do.

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Give you an idea of what to do and what not to do ... isn't that what teaching is?

Besides, books are a wonderful resource for just about anything. A book will typically go into much more depth than what you will find on the Web.

first of all- Im not even going to respond to Zigot's comments . . .

Like whats been said, Id suggest.

Designing with Web Standards by Zeldman
Creativity for Graphic Designers by Mark Oldach

Enjoy.



[This message has been edited by CRO8 (edited 02-22-2004).]

If you are just getting started, (or even if you've been making sites for a while ) it is a good idea to look at designing your sites around Usability.

Don't Make Me Think is an excellent book to use when planning for site development.

Usability covers what to put on a page, where to put it, what technologies to choose for delivery, navigation design, using graphic elements as communication tools.... Pretty much everything that makes a website a website rather than just a bunch of stuff thrown together and displayed in a browser.

Wow This all good resources, thx all !
anyway does eric e.meyer books on css any good ?
I've hear good things 'bout em but I juat want to know what you guys think......

http://www.w3schools.com/ --- for all of your programming needs. Granted it is not a book but the site is good just the same.


Sanity is optional... (and so is clothes!)

Wolfen's Sig Site

Wolf- thanks for the link, great example how asnwering someone's question can help others out - one of the foundations of this forum. Perfect cool!

Eric meijer is almost god when it comes to CSS look at his site:
http://www.meyerweb.com especially css/edge.

But if you want to make a good start i suggest the tutorials at the GurusNetwork

When it comes about JavaScript you might want to know more about Object Orentied Programming, for this the first chapters from bruce eckels Thinking Java 3rd edition is a good good start. Mind you Java and Javascript are not the same or from the same company but both are based on OOP principles. For Javascript i suggest Javascript pocket edition From O'reilly or The Javascript bible by danny goodman

In general i like all the o'reilly books, expansive but good value for money.

If you want to know about web design you need to know about:
-Photoshop
-CSS
-Xhtml

If you want to be a webprogrammer you should add at least one of these:
-Javascript
-Java(?)
-PHP or ASP
-Flash


Other things you could look at:
-XML - XSLT etc.
-RSS
-Serverside includes (SSI)
-ColdFusion
-Python
-Perl

This list is far from complete but gives a good idea i guess.

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[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 02-23-2004).]

Eric Meyer books are fantastic.

If you're interested in learning the do's and don'ts of webdesign, I suggest first learning how to markup your text with HTML and then apply CSS. When designing a functional website you'll need two things: good taste and a knowledge of the limitations of HTML/CSS.

If you're interested in learning there are three books I'd recommend.
HTML & XHTML: The Definitive Guide by Chuck Musciano & Bill Kennedy.
CSS: The Definitive Guide by Eric Meyers.
JavaScript: The Definitive Guide by David Flanagan.

At first these books might seem difficult or complicated but if you sit down in front of your computer and being going through each and experimenting you'll get used to web design. Once your profficient w/ HTML/CSS/JavaScript you can begin looking into other areas such as MySQL databases, Perl, and PHP.

A simple trip to web.oreilly.com will give you fantastic information on various books and areas of knowledge.

Jestah