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redroy Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: 1393 Insane since: Dec 2003	posted 04-04-2004 22:00 I've been troubled trying to find how to embed a flash movie while supporting standards. I came accross THIS article and I was wondering what you all thought about it... I havn't actually tried his solution because I really wanted some other opinions. I must have flash on a current project I'm doing but I really want to be within the W3C standards. HELP. 1393
mas Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: the space between us Insane since: Sep 2002	posted 04-04-2004 22:38 well, after i read the topic-title i thought: hey, i'm gonna show this guy ALA's article sooo, I personally can't help you much, since I don't use flash at all. But I would suggest giving ALA a try.
Ramasax Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: PA, US Insane since: Feb 2002	posted 04-05-2004 00:37 I read through the ala article and it appears to be more of a hack than anything. If a solution causes more trouble than the original problem what's the point? Ramasax
smonkey Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: Northumberland, England Insane since: Apr 2003	posted 04-05-2004 02:11 Flash and standards don't play nice - I have been watching this for a while and there isn't a solution yet. But who cares? it works however you put it in. If you want to use standards then the ALA way is your baby, although do a Google search onf flash satay and you'll come up with a few different mods on that theme. If you just want your page to validate you could use javascript to write it in, another hack but hey, who cares, everybody is hacking, most stylesheets involve hacks nowadays - it's a sorry state of affairs but you'll just have to skip your little XHTML 1 button or use a hack. Maybe Longhorn will fix this, but don't count on it. <A HREF="http://www.cryokinesis.co.uk" TARGET=_blank>visit
redroy Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: 1393 Insane since: Dec 2003	posted 04-05-2004 17:36 quote: I read through the ala article and it appears to be more of a hack than anything. If a solution causes more trouble than the original problem what's the point? That's kinda what I was thinking 1393
Cameron Bipolar (III) Inmate From: Brisbane Insane since: Jan 2003	posted 04-06-2004 15:53 quote: I read through the ala article and it appears to be more of a hack than anything. If a solution causes more trouble than the original problem what's the point? quote: Flash and standards don't play nice - I have been watching this for a while and there isn't a solution yet. But who cares? it works however you put it in. No no no no no no and no! Did any of you actually read that article? This is one of the ALA articles that every flash designer needs to know down to the letter. The way Macromedia produces HTML templates for embedding flash is a complete and utter hack, and one that breaks standards to boot. This article, being about how to support standards whilst getting flash content onto your pages, is also about the correct way to embed any kind of object data into an HTML document. This is the right way to do things -- learn it -- love it. If you do things this way, you can structure your pages to gracefully degrade when the browser doesn't support flash by using alternative markup within the containing <object> element such as the text and URL's used in the movie, which makes using flash infinatly more accessable for ctirical data. The only limitation is with IE having to load the entire .swf file before it displays, but this is easily overcome by using a stub movie that simply jumps straight to the next movie, which will stream as per usual because the flash object it already up and running. [This message has been edited by Cameron (edited 04-06-2004).]

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redroy
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: 1393
Insane since: Dec 2003

posted 04-04-2004 22:00

I've been troubled trying to find how to embed a flash movie while supporting standards. I came accross THIS article and I was wondering what you all thought about it... I havn't actually tried his solution because I really wanted some other opinions. I must have flash on a current project I'm doing but I really want to be within the W3C standards. HELP.

1393

mas
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: the space between us
Insane since: Sep 2002

posted 04-04-2004 22:38

well, after i read the topic-title i thought: hey, i'm gonna show this guy ALA's article sooo, I personally can't help you much, since I don't use flash at all. But I would suggest giving ALA a try.

Ramasax
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: PA, US
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted 04-05-2004 00:37

I read through the ala article and it appears to be more of a hack than anything. If a solution causes more trouble than the original problem what's the point?

Ramasax

smonkey
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Northumberland, England
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted 04-05-2004 02:11

Flash and standards don't play nice - I have been watching this for a while and there isn't a solution yet. But who cares? it works however you put it in.

If you want to use standards then the ALA way is your baby, although do a Google search onf flash satay and you'll come up with a few different mods on that theme.

If you just want your page to validate you could use javascript to write it in, another hack but hey, who cares, everybody is hacking, most stylesheets involve hacks nowadays - it's a sorry state of affairs but you'll just have to skip your little XHTML 1 button or use a hack.

Maybe Longhorn will fix this, but don't count on it.

<A HREF="http://www.cryokinesis.co.uk" TARGET=_blank>visit

redroy
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: 1393
Insane since: Dec 2003

posted 04-05-2004 17:36

quote:
I read through the ala article and it appears to be more of a hack than anything. If a solution causes more trouble than the original problem what's the point?

That's kinda what I was thinking

1393

Cameron
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Brisbane
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted 04-06-2004 15:53

quote:
I read through the ala article and it appears to be more of a hack than anything. If a solution causes more trouble than the original problem what's the point?

quote:
Flash and standards don't play nice - I have been watching this for a while and there isn't a solution yet. But who cares? it works however you put it in.

No no no no no no and no! Did any of you actually read that article?

This is one of the ALA articles that every flash designer needs to know down to the letter. The way Macromedia produces HTML templates for embedding flash is a complete and utter hack, and one that breaks standards to boot.

This article, being about how to support standards whilst getting flash content onto your pages, is also about the correct way to embed any kind of object data into an HTML document. This is the right way to do things -- learn it -- love it.

If you do things this way, you can structure your pages to gracefully degrade when the browser doesn't support flash by using alternative markup within the containing <object> element such as the text and URL's used in the movie, which makes using flash infinatly more accessable for ctirical data.

The only limitation is with IE having to load the entire .swf file before it displays, but this is easily overcome by using a stub movie that simply jumps straight to the next movie, which will stream as per usual because the flash object it already up and running.

[This message has been edited by Cameron (edited 04-06-2004).]