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Hiroki
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: NZ
Insane since: Dec 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-28-2003 04:42 Edit Quote

Hi, all. How are you?
Well, I'd like to talk about my Meta and search engine problem.
I tried to find my web site using Google. But I couldn't. I put meta tag something like below:

quote:
<head>
<title>Operating System Home Page</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" href="../css/main.css" type="text/css">

<meta name="author" content="Hiroki Kozai">
<meta name="description" content="This site provides you basics of operating system, Dos command, wild card, batch file and Linux command. Especially good for Aoraki International college student for their test and assinemnts. This info is provided by John Davey. ">
<meta name="keywords" content="operating system, Dos, Dos command, wild card, batch file, Linux, Linux command, Aoraki, John, Davey, John Davey">

</head>



I know Meta tag only works to be recognized by browser better not compulsory to have it to be done so.

But I cannot find my site at all from google. In search box, I typed my name and a couple key words. Like Hiroki Kozai dos command but never find anything.

Hmm......I don't get the answer why.... Please help.

Regards,

Hiroki Kozai

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-28-2003 15:03 Edit Quote

Hiroki: There could be many reasons why you aren't listed in Google:

1. You might not have waited long enough sicne you submitted your site.

2. You need more links pointing to it for it to appear on their radar (drop it in your sig here)

3. If it isn't just a personal then submit it to DMOZ as their directories are provided to Google so getting in there gets you into Google

I'd have to see your site too.

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-28-2003 15:07 Edit Quote

from the google FAQ -

quote:
4. Why doesn't Google index any of my pages?

If your pages haven't been indexed yet, it's probably because there aren't enough other pages on the web that link to them. Google looks at the link interconnectedness among pages, relying on the vastness and openness of the Internet to yield the most relevant search results. If other pages don't link to yours, we can't assign your pages a PageRank (our proprietary measure of a page's importance) in a reasonable way. Once other pages point to them, we'll pick your pages up.

5. How long does the Google robot take to index a URL once it's been submitted?

Depending on the timing of the submission and of our crawl, the entire process can take between six and eight weeks.



{{edit - damn you emp... }}

[Emp edit: No damn you!! ]



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 04-28-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Emperor (edited 04-28-2003).]

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-28-2003 15:09 Edit Quote

Ahhhhhhhhh, of course, it is the DOS site - d'oh.

Well that is well worth throwing into DMOZ somewhere (pos. under operating systems). Add it to an FAQ too - if there isn't a relavant one then make one.

Also if your name isn't actually mentioned outside of that meta tag then I doubt you can search Google specifically for the contents of a meta tag (add a copyright notice with your name on in the footer). You should also make sure that the keywords you list are listed on your page are also repeated in the page or you could be bumped from the search engine for trying to spam it.

Anyway the important thing these days is to not just have metatags but employ a wide anging strategy and target lots of different ways of getting your site listed and linked to

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-28-2003 19:16 Edit Quote

Yup. Search engine optimization is more of a game than a formula You gotta play the field...

quisja
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: everywhere
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-28-2003 21:35 Edit Quote

"Google: Hiroki Kozai"

[Emp edit: Making URL work]

That shows up some results from the Asylum, I'd say your site hasn't been around long enough and isn't linked to enough. Google only does a deep crawl about once a month, so like Emp and DL have said, drop the site in your sig and wait...


home

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 03:10 Edit Quote

Hiroki: You might also want to take a look at this article (dated 1 October 2002), which claims that the keyword tag has outlived its usefulness in getting listed in search engines. Incidentally, that site (Search Engine Watch) has a lot of information on (surprisingly enough) search engines. I would recommend taking a look around.

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 04:44 Edit Quote

yeah I didn't submit to google but I'm up there. Judging from the results it looks like most of my stuff comes from this board, the GN and a couple of other boards I frequent.



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 05:53 Edit Quote

Huh, just for kicks, I looked up my site on Google. There are 12,500 hits for "liminality"--I am not in the first hundred. There are also 7,240 for "the space in between" (my site's tagline)--I am also not in the first hundred. However, a search on "liminality the space in between" brings up only my site (interestingly enough, the main page is listed as a sub-hit beneath the about page--not sure how that happened). Of course, considering the simplicity of my domain name, I doubt many people are going to go searching for my site by the name and tagline. It's kind of nifty, though, to know that I'm the only one out there for that phrase.

I've messed around with a number of search terms, and I think it's safe to say that no one is going to find my site with Google. But that's cool.

(Strange... a search on my name doesn't turn up my site... weird.)

OK, back to Hiroki being ashamed.

Hiroki
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: NZ
Insane since: Dec 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 09:42 Edit Quote

Hi, guys. thanks for your replies.
Glad to hear from you.
many Many thanks.
cya.

Hiroki Kozai

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 15:47 Edit Quote

Suho1004: You said:

quote:
You might also want to take a look at this article (dated 1 October 2002), which claims that the keyword tag has outlived its usefulness in getting listed in search engines.



Basically as the keywords meta tag does no harm (when not abused) and is a good way to sneak extra keywords int your HTMl you might as well leave it in. The meta tags have become less important in the search engine algorithims but as they never make clear how they figure out your results then it is probable that some search engines draw on these tags to greater or lesser degress. So leave them in

As bd says if you drop a link into your sig and into your cell in the FAQ then Google and other search engines will tend to pick it up (Google loves us). I am also signed up at:
www.zeal.com

which is the human indexed directory of LookSmart which supplies a lot of results to an increasing number of other search engines. So if your site is non-commercial and educational I can add that there 9although if it is outisde my area of contrl it needs to be approved).

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 15:58 Edit Quote

Hey, to each his own, I guess. I don't use 'em personally, because I really don't think they're worth the trouble. But I won't be upset if you guys use them.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-29-2003 16:09 Edit Quote
quote:
I don't use 'em personally, because I really don't think they're worth the trouble.



LOL and you wonder why you don't appear in Google :

quote:
I've messed around with a number of search terms, and I think it's safe to say that no one is going to find my site with Google. But that's cool.

(Strange... a search on my name doesn't turn up my site... weird.)





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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-30-2003 03:11 Edit Quote

Emps: did you actually read the article I linked to above? Only one crawler-based search engine still uses keywords, and that is Inktomi. They have no effect on my Google ranking. In fact, they have little effect on any ranking I really care about. If you want to take the time to craft a meta tag that isn't used by the overwhelming majority of browsers, feel free.

And I do appear in Google, just not for my name, and I realized why: my full name does not appear on my site. A search on my first initial and last name, in fact, brings up my site (plus, disturbingly enough, a message posted on a list somewhere by a Korean guy at my university who is using my name... I'm going to have to hunt this guy down...).

So... right back at ya.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-30-2003 15:04 Edit Quote

Suho1004: Yep I read the article and I stick by what I said (well OK its not the reason you aren't listed in Google - I made them remove you!!). It can't do any harm and is a good way to get keywords into your HTML. I wouldn't recommend anyone spending too long working out their meta tags - I never have - that kind of thing was always best left to the SEO experts who were quite prepared to spend hours tweaking the terms.

They can also be useful if you have your own site search engine......

One good thing is that they do help focus your mind on the keywords on your page that you want to make more relevant.

If used at all they need to be part of a broader promotion strategy but they always have been - they just are no longer a quick fix as they used to be and given increasingly more sophisticated search algorithims I suspect in the long run that our results will be much better for it

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-30-2003 16:07 Edit Quote

Eh, OK, I guess I can buy that. I don't really see the need for them on my site, though, so I haven't used them. Then again, I honestly don't really care too much about getting this site listed with search engines. I figure people will find me sooner or later, and even if they don't I'll still have my little corner of the web to rant and rave to myself.

[Edit: Oh, and like I said, I am listed with Google, so apparently your scare tactics didn't work this time around, you evil dictator!]

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 04-30-2003).]

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

IP logged posted posted 05-05-2003 20:42 Edit Quote

Good read. Added to the :FAQ: What meta tags do I need to add to my webpage?

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