Topic: Silly Question (Page 1 of 1)

Ok, so I got this email today. Friend of a friend thing, so little ( if any) money is likely to change hands here. I`ve only spoken with this guy twice by email, so I`m not sure if he knows what he`s asking.
The email:

P H S is a Restaruant Recruitng Firm that me and another friend have started. What I need is the following:

1. Home page talking about who we our and what and our beliefs in the recruiting world.
2. Job posting page that can be viewed
3. Resume page that can be filled out by the candidate and e-mailed to us.
4. Depending on the amount of storage space a way for our client to update listings themselves.

A couple of places for Idea's (geckohospitalityservices.com
,hospitalityrecruiters.com) I like gecko's animation and hospitality Recruiters layout. I want a WOW!!! web site. Please feel free to call me or e-mail bla, bla, bla..

So, 1-3 no problem if he can update it himself. Is there a way to accomplish #4 without a database/backend thing ? something *outside the box* like adapting a Bulletin board ?
post resumes , only you and Admin can change them.. group them in Job headings
( forums)..
Security issues ?
If not, and I were to outsource it, I could get it done for $______ ( fill in the blank) So I can give him an approximation if he insists.
any ideas would be appreciated.



Cell245

I'm still a bit fuzzy by what you mean in #4. What types of listings are being updated? Maybe if you explain that part a bit better, since you seem to be fine with everything else, I could help you out, although I'm not very good at thinking outside the box. Whats the problem with the 'database/backend thing'.

If I could offer you one peice of quick advice. If this is the friend of a friend whom you want to remain friends with, you'll find someone else to handle this one. Business and friendship NEVER work out. The last time I worked with a friend was in 2nd grade. Sister Anthony asked me to pick someone to help me carry the books to her office. Man o man was that a mistake.

-Jestah
Cell 277

db: for point 4 try seeing if you could get something like Blogger to do it or GreyMatter - see here for a few notes on the latter:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/FaqWiki/shownode.php?id=195

[edit: And if you do need to use server-side scripting/DB then there are plenty of free solutions out there and I'm we'd be happy to give you any help you need. Have a crack at installing it and if there are any problems then we can give you a hand. I'd lean towards a light server-side site as it will make processing the forms from 3 easier and you could have a neat front end to 2 which would allow them to add content. However, I suspect it could all be done without]

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Emps

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Jestah : By that ( I believe) he means allow clients to update their own profiles/ resumes, etc. The problem with the *database/backend thing* is that I`ve never had any contact with either ( except clicking the occasional button). And naw, I don`t like him all that much...But if this is something I don`t think I can do well, I`ll refer him elsewhere.


Emps : Have you used Greymatter ? I just skimmed through the features list, but it seems possible to log on many remote users, and only they and Admin can edit the entries, yes ? Does it log entries by username, and cross reference them , too ?
I mean if the *searcher* posts his own resume, there`s no need to mail it to admin, too is there ? Or If Admin needs to see and sort them first, there`s no need to let them post it themselves, right ? Or will Greymatter do both ?
or am I just overthinking this ?

And be careful where you offer help, Emps. Hehe. You haven`t tried talking my *grey matter * through a new coding experience yet..

db: No I haven't used Greymatter - I wouldn't bother unless I really had to. However, I'm sure someone around here has.

Be careful about what I wish for?? We'll see - you always wanted to learn PHP anyway haven't you??

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Emps

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yeah, but I'd say you could go without a database just using plain php and some shinny textfile parsing on that one...

Well, I'm thinking of going into buisness myself, so anybody who does this, aprox. how much would that site be? Or how many hours would it take you?

Thank you,

Tyberius Prime

The implementation doesn't seem like a problem, its exactly what your doing that I don't understand. I don't understand when you say so they can update their resumes. Exactly what is there to update? If their looking for a job I would be under the impression that they have a recently completed resume detailing previous work experience and education. If they receive more work experience then clearly they no longer need the job and education generally takes longer then the few days where employeers would be looking over the resume.

I guess that really doesn't matter though.

TP has a good suggestion. I would use Perl, but you could create a script that uploads the information you want in a text file to a directory of your choosing. Then using JavaScript you could read the text file into the HTML document for displaying the information.

It shouldn't be too hard now that I think of it. Although you might need a database if your going to be using passwords for security reasons.


Any other suggestions?

-Jestah
Cell 277

huh? need a database to store passwords???
Ok, the way the asylum does it, by storing the passwords as plain text is dumb, alright,
but if you got some sense, then you don't store passwords.
You store crypted() passwords. When a user authentication is needed, you crypt() whatever he entered and compare it to the value safed. that way not even a person with ftp access can get to the passwords. (Crypt() is a one way function. There is no decrypt()

so long,

Tyberius Prime

Jestah: I would assume they might want to update their email address or something else in their contact details or they might want to add the details of any training they've done, etc.

Flat files are fine if that is what you've got to work with most PHP hosting packaegs throw MySQL in anyway so you may as well use that. It all depends on what the hosting service makes available - any details db? Any solutions we throw out are a little dependent on that.

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

Jestah : It`s been my experience that it can take WAY more than a few days to find a job sometimes. Like Emps said you could move, change email addys, gain related experience/ skills while looking.. or whatever. And it`s that * problem-free implementation* and * just using plain php and some shinny textfile parsing * you experts speak so glibly of that I lack the skillset for. Hence the search for the
* Database for dummies* solution. it`s also unlikely he will want to wait for me to learn databases and PHP. A man could get very old...


Emps : On the host, no details yet. I would suggest either Dreamhost or Aletia, and I believe both have that stuff available. I`ve only spoken to him twice, so far. Once when he said he wanted a site, and the second is posted above.

Ok, so it can be done. One way or another. I`ll need to find out some more details from him about what is really necessary, and go from there. It`d be cool to have a price on the db setup to scare him with, though. If anyone that knows is reluctant to post dollar figures here, feel free to email or ICQ me.

Thanks, all. I`ll almost certainly bother you about this further, later.

docilebob,

I'm a recruitment consultant, I hope maybe my experience from the business side may be of some help.

Firstly the agency should make it clear if they want a *Recruitment website* or a *Job Portal* (the later being a site where clients pay to post jobs) it sounds like just a *recruitment website*

An agency should have total control over CV's and Jobs added, i.e. all cv's [resumes] should be screened by the agency, advise candidates on content and layout if ness, then, if it is a cv with attractive skills, posted on the website only with core skills, obviously with no mention of personal details, previous jobs ect just

Candidate 101
*3 years pot washing*
*1 year potatoes peeling*
?10 per hour / $12000 per annum

I don?t see much merit in posting cv's - waste of serious admin, and may give a client the impression the agency does not have the right CV, a good recruiter can find the right person thru networking. Also catering/hospitality is not a high tech industry.

Regarding the client adding and maintaining details, recruiters are there to handle this. The agency should gain the relevant info and devise a job description and post that, keep in touch with the client ect. Maybe the client may be able to deactivate a job, but should be no more.

A simple form for the client to add a job or candidate to post a cv to the agency should suffice.

An agency website cannot replace a recruiter, only save time, make life a little easier and gain reach.

I would keep it simple, use a simple CGI search facility for the job search, the agency maybe uses a job posting site (such as http://castlelink.co.uk/[/URL] where jobs are distributed to various *Job portals* and their own website. you can even point the jobsearch at the advertising management system as you usually have your own page which they will configure for you.

This does not help much with the cost issue you asked about but I know a few companies in the UK that specialise in recruitment websites if you want - the cheapest version would cost about $2000 - but you get what you pay for.

I hope this will help in someway.

Good luck

FR

[This message has been edited by FatRod (edited 06-06-2002).]

[This message has been edited by FatRod (edited 06-06-2002).]

[This message has been edited by FatRod (edited 06-06-2002).]

I work for a company that has a website something like what you are talking about. when we sell an internet recruitment ad, the client gets a username and password that lets them access their job listings. They have the ability to update/change/add whatever. You can check it out here if you want.

Unfortunatly our company is right now using Cold Fusion! eeeekkk!!!!

I have seen scripts that will do this using Perl and PHP on hotscripts but they are not cheap (~$400).

I think that using Greymatter to update job listings is asking a little much of it. That and Noah isn't doing anything else with it right now. There is something else that I listed in the FAQ about Content Managment. Might be worth a shot. I have never used it but my fiancee's brother uses it and really likes it, mainly as a blogger.

Later,
C:\


~Binary is best~

Outstanding, FatRod. I only this evening emailed him about answering some of those very questions. My impression is *Recruitment* , but hadn`t actually thought about the *Job portal* option. I`ll find out for sure. Big difference.
Regarding the update thing and posting resumes, I was thinking along the lines you mentioned, and was confused by the request to allow them to update themselves.I thought of a couple of possible reasons for wanting this, and asked him about that, too. To me, it seems kind of unnecessary. I also imagine a high turn over rate, and quick turn arounds, unless he specializes in management, perhaps.
Thanks for your input on this.


C:\ I`ll check the CM in the FAQ. Thanks.

<edit> sorry, C:\ I couldn`t find anything in the Wiki about CM </edit>

[Emp edit: db I believe CPrompt is refering to his additions to the already mentioned FAQ: http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/FaqWiki/shownode.php?id=195 ]


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[This message has been edited by Emperor (edited 06-07-2002).]

docilebob,

One thing I am pushing for here (IT recruitment) although I am not sure would work in the *restaurant* recruitment business is *online timesheets*

Candidate adds hours on an online form and signs with a PIN number
Client approves with a PIN number

both need to have terms stating this is legaly binding ect.

I have had great responce from our contrators about this, would be good for me as I would have instant access to all the hours I am going to bill and accounts get instant invoices.

If anyone has any off the shelf system/solution for this please let me know

One more thing : COME ON ENGLAND

FR