From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-27-2004 00:51
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From: Rochester, New York, USA Insane since: May 2000
posted 03-27-2004 06:41
I am going to be on the side that says it is bad.
Now a days you simply want to get work. For this you don't want to be showing off toys you want to be showing of clean solid work. This is things that will make the company says "He/She can get the job done, just look at X." You also want your work to be branded with your name not you Psuedonym. If you want to be hired think clean cut, spiffy and cool. When you get the job then you can be a bit nutty but you don't want to show anything but professional until you get the job.
I would say no you would not want to be hired for your "'white collar
super-straight dude' personality" you want to get hired, and that can be the tricky part. You want to play the role to the nines.
You didn't really state why type of job you were looking to get, so I assumed since you edge on programming you would want to get a job as a programmer for a somewhat mid to large sized company. My experience has shown that getting those jobs requires you to be normal and professional. You need to talk about the facts and be able to get the job done. If you can do that nothing else matters.
If you can clarify more to what you are looking to get I might be able to modify my answer in many different ways, as I stand right now I am shooting from the hip on many blind assumtions.
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-27-2004 11:02
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I am not 100% sure your site is up to being a part of your resume when you have a whole lot of other experience that really dwarfs your site's draw. Everyone has a web page, not everyone has a web page like the doc's. I am not sure what his site gets for hits now but at one time it was pulling in something like 120,000 unique visits a month, he also has the Hands-On tutorials which are still #9 on google's search for photoshop tutorials.
If you can boast stats like that and make it look really worthwhile then by all means it should be on your resume, but if not let your achomplishments that look better on paper speak for you.
Basicly, an online resume is a great idea. But then again should it be filled with toys and gimicks? WarMage is correct, keep the job part simple and professional - the hobby part new and experimental ;-)
One more small thing: when visiting a page named "beyondwonderland" I was expecting more of a colorful and crazy design. I was getting ready to chase more rabbits, but then the ruler thing popped up and the dream was over... get what I mean?
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-31-2004 20:47
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 10:44
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 12:06
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From: Rochester, New York, USA Insane since: May 2000
posted 05-17-2004 18:07
I have never claimed that my grammar or spelling was anything worthwhile =).
I would claim that I do know the corporate enviornment very well. You have to realize that Rochester the city that I live in, is a hub of corporate America. Kodak, Xerox, Bauch and Lomb, Heidelberg (this is Kodak now), Johnson and Johnson, IBM, and others, the first three have their worldwide corporate headquarters here. This boils down to a whole lot of corporate experience. All of my friends are the engineering type and work as either code monkeys or as managers in these companies. I am friends with managers in Heidelberg and Kodak. My cousin was the manager responsible for the entire Kodak.com redesign. I know people who work in human resources for these companies, and I know people from one end to the other who are a part of these corporations. Rochester is a small town with a ton of big business.
What this boils down to is that it is not a lack of open mindedness, but a whole lot more open mindedness than you exhibit.
I don't know what the average swiss employer is. I know that in my area and where I work the average employer is a large corporation with a relatively big budget and a human resources department with a limited hiring vision. Maybe the average swiss shop is not like this, it could be the little mom and pop type shop where the hiring department is Joe "I run this company" Smith. All I know is that working with big business A means that you get nice benifits a 401k plan and an acceptable salary. I know that working with Mom and Pop doesn't offer all of this. You make you $20 and hour with mom and pop and are normally on your own for the benifits and retirement. The same type of people work at both operations.
You have to pick what you want. Thats your call I can't make that one for you.
But your ideals of the corporation style is a bit off-center. I go out to the Bars and to concerts (think Phil Colins, Talking Heads) with my manager friend from Heidelberg, have clam bakes and camping excursions with my cousin who worked with Kodak. I go out drinking and pool and darts with my Xerox code monkey friends. And I am sure that all of them would have something to say about your "'white collar
super-straight dude' personality" thing. Especially the ones who are gay. See the problem here is you just don't know what the hell you are talking about.
So here is a question. What does not placing a site on a resume have to do with not being yourself in front of a recruiter?
Have you ever been responsible for hiring employees for technical positions? I have.
You know what I do and the people I work with do? We give the resume 10 seconds. We have to many of them to give it more than that. Quick scan look for buzz words, if we see them we put the resume in a separate pile. We then go through those and check out the sites, when we are looking for web people. If you are going to put your personal site on your resume it better wow the crap out of me, because that shows what your actual coding practices and creativity are. If I am not wowed immediately I am more likely to send you a rejection letter. Business sites are looked at a whole lot differently, because they tend to be team efforts, and we only look at what you were responsible for.
Now, I was trying not to be a huge asshole, and my comment was toned down a whole bunch, but if I am being claimed an asshole I better go the whole nine.
The real reason I wouldn't include your site on a resume is because it is a damn shitty site. Your main "InI" graphic is suffering from an extreme case of the jaggies. Your prominent W3 validation icons have been modified to crap. Your "ourWalls" ruler makes no sense, your menu has no style to it. Your color choices are monochromatic bore.
You might have some cool applets and toys in there but they are hidden behind a site that doesn't do them justice.
That is why I sugest that this site doesn't go on a resume. But then again disreguard all of this because I can't spell and don't have proper grammar and am frighteningly close minded.
Note: I just realized this discussion initially took place 2 months ago and that its only now become brought back up. I typed my reply and didn't want it to go to waste.
Ini, I don't know if it matters whether or not you have your personal website on your resume or not. Depending on what you want to do it most likely won't ever be looked at anyway. If your looking for a job with a corporation that sees more then a dozen job applications a day, they probably won't take the time to fire up FireFox or Internet Explorer and check out your home page. Also, as Dan pointed out, while your a talented programer, the design on your website isn't much better then ordianry. If someone did take the time out to look at your site, I don't know if they would be immediately impressed. Perhaps if they took some time to look through your things, but I don't know how much time you expect a company to devote to looking at a resume.
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 19:29
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 19:45
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I can only giggle on the inside. InI, in his fury, is actually rather comical. And I know my imput is fairly useless .... but I enjoyed your website, some parts of the site were a little difficult to navigate. But I enjoyed looking at the renders (assuming you made those) And I think if you did clear up the jaggies problem it would rock, quite hard. I think there is a lot of jealousy when it comes to site reviews at times. But the functionality of your website is nice, and it is rather aesthetically pleasing, in my opinion.
I rarely speak up in threads that heat up like this, but come on!
The turn this thread took is not in any way called for.
This started as a very good topic "What should I put on my online resume?"
That is an excellent question.
The answers given so far as I see them are basically these:
Show professional work and hobby work separated.
Be harsh on yourself and what you want to show.
Select what to show based on the kind of work you are searching for, documented coding experience for coding jobs, perhaps examples as well. A variety of different types of designexamples if you are searching for design jobs.
Be aware that in todays work-climate you will be very very lucky to have your resume read/viewed from start to end.
Be aware that seldom are the ones deciding if your resume will be read or not the same people that will actually grade you by it.
This is good advice. Use it.
I'd like to offer more:
Today a very large part of medium to large companys recruiting are handled by outside recuiting companies that work the pile of resumes picking 5-10 that will be seen by the actual company.
This means that the general online resume matters a lot less nowadays as it did yesterday. What you really need to do is to target the resume to the readers, it's not there for you, it's there for them to quickly see in a quick screen of the resume.
If this means that you need to concentrate on buzzwords and short hooks to reel them in for a longer read you should do just that. Do include the stuff you are proud of but don't count on that beeing the thing that will catch their eyes unless it's totally mindboggling out of this world stuff and exactly what they are looking for!
Today, here in Sweden even Doc's site would be hard pressed to make that sort of impression even as good as it is. And this I do know for a fact.
Appr 2 years back, I got the Doc a job interview at a place I worked at.
They wanted someone with solid, documented design & coding skills plus an exceptional ability to design AND code working webbased application interfaces for one of their products.
Does this sound like the Doc? I thought so.
They ended up hiring a younger guy with more focus on serverside coding and a decent to good interface knowledge. Why? One of the reasons that I found out later was that Docs site was too creative and intense. In this case the site actually worked against him.
Now I don't live in the US or Switzerland, I've visited the US a couple of times and have family there, Switzerland I have no relation to at all so naturally I can't say how it works there.
My assumption however from working full time for 22 years and beeing in the IT-business from the current buzzword "internet" to today is that it cannot be that different in either of the places based on the current world economy.
Getting a job is hard, getting a job in this business is even harder, getting the job you really really want in this business is next to impossible if you don't create it yourself.
This means that when asking the initial question asked in this thread, you take the advice given, you evaluate it and apply it as you see fit to your situation.
All the replies given here are based on personal experiences and opinions that may or may not apply to your situation. One thing is for sure though, they are all given with good intentions!
If not, you would not see posts that obviously took 10-30 minutes to type!
If someone wants to insult someone else it can be done in a lot less lines of text and it sure wouldn't be mixed with good honest advice.
Cheers/Dan
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 22:22
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 23:21
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From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 05-17-2004 23:40
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