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Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-11-2008 23:40 Edit Quote

Something obvious but a word of wisdom nevertheless from the top of my head.

Mutual respect is not a pre-requisite of respect. Respect is a pre-requisite of mutual respect.

Please remember.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-11-2008 23:42 Edit Quote

Respect is something that is earned.

Mutual respect is based on the interacting parties dealing fairly with one another.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-11-2008 23:50 Edit Quote

Do you regard that as a contradiction or an addition then?

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 00:05 Edit Quote

Actually....
Respect is something that I will give straight away, a person can only lose my respect.

quote:

Arthurio said:

Something obvious but a word of wisdom nevertheless from the top of my head.Mutual respect is not a pre-requisite of respect. Respect is a pre-requisite of mutual respect.Please remember.



"Mutual respect is not a pre-requisite of respect. Respect is a pre-requisite of mutual respect."
Now that made my head hurt Arthurio I had to read that verrry slowly before it sank in.

I believe in giving respect to all things, as a matter of course without all this "earning" malarchy.


Those who look for monsters should look to it that
they do not become monsters. For when you gaze
long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 00:20 Edit Quote

I would regard it as an addition.

Note that these definitions (those that I gave) only apply to myself. As Tao has pointed out, others define it differently, as they see fit.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 00:24 Edit Quote

Tao: what about regaining respect

edit: Debug mode in action obv...

(Edited by Arthurio on 03-12-2008 00:25)

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 00:48 Edit Quote

That's another matter Arthurio
It really depends on the actual situation, as you can imagine. Generally with me, respect can also be regained, but it will take time. The amount of time depending upon the person involved and the reasons for losing it in the first place.

I say this because unfortunately some members of the human race are rather nasty people. I am not joking, not all people are good as I once thought they were. Add to that the pitiful amount of time we have on this earth. I would rather spend my time and energy on people who are honest truthful and good.

In short yes respect can be regained.

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 00:52 Edit Quote

Heh I've just re-read "honest truthful and good." and it does sound rather lame, but it is the best way for me to describe it at the moment. I say this because it would take quite a lot to break my respect in the first place.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 01:24 Edit Quote
quote:
Respect is something that I will give straight away, a person can only lose my respect.



My sentiments exactly.

I confess, my recent posts have lacked maturity and self-mederation. It isn't that I lose control, but that I choose to; for that I apologise to all. This includes, wholeheartedly, Argo himself. That I'm susceptible to provocation (and have a terrible sense of mirth) I can neither excuse nor apologise for. My actions are mine alone to dictate and moderate, and for these, sincerely, I am sorry - it is disrespectful of all members of this forum, especially as I should have the wit and wisdom to know when to shut up.

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 02:15 Edit Quote
quote:

WebShaman said:

Respect is something that is earned.



I disagree.

I have always maintained that respect is something you lose...not something you earn. Nobody should have to prove that they deserve respect...but people sometimes demonstrate that they do *not* deserve it...

{{edit -

d'oh

quote:

Tao said:

Actually....
Respect is something that I will give straight away, a person can only lose my respect.



Should have finished reading 1st

(Edited by DL-44 on 03-12-2008 02:16)

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 02:26 Edit Quote
quote:

I confess, my recent posts have lacked maturity and self-mederation. It isn't that I lose control, but that I choose to; for that I apologise to all. This includes, wholeheartedly, Argo himself. That I'm susceptible to provocation (and have a terrible sense of mirth) I can neither excuse nor apologise for



Amen. Respect is something I should rehearse as well, enough for tonight though.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 02:27 Edit Quote

As I have stated, my definition only applies to me.

I also stated that others (as evidenced in this thread) will have different definitions, accordingly.

And that is fine, I have no problem with that.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

argo navis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Switzerland
Insane since: Jul 2007

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 03:44 Edit Quote

Respect is about interpersonal exchange. Of which you are reponsible from the moment you enter it - as I am,
and this is pretty universal I think. But it doesn't start with words - not even with thoughts, rather with feelings.

Different things make different people bitter though.

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 10:20 Edit Quote

Actually I think the definition of 'respect' is a little bit off topic here but whatever ...

Respect

1. esteem somebody or something: to feel or show admiration and deference toward somebody or something
2. not go against or violate something: to pay due attention to and refrain from violating something
3. be considerate toward somebody or something: to show consideration or thoughtfulness in relation to somebody or something

It also could be applied to taking care of oneself, others or the environment. It adds general reliability to social interactions. It enables people to work together in a complimentary fashion, instead of each person having to understand or even agree with each other every time. Respect is very important to communities because it helps people get along with other people.

Disrespect –noun 1.lack of respect; discourtesy; rudeness. –verb (used with object) 2.to regard or treat without respect; regard or treat with contempt or rudeness.


Another topic: having respect for and treating with respect.
Obviously there's a strong connection. However I think that even when no respect exists between two people using respectful means of communication is a matter of self-respect and -esteem. Could also be a matter of respect towards third parties who may be involved or observing.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 11:03 Edit Quote
quote:
1. esteem somebody or something: to feel or show admiration and deference toward somebody or something
2. not go against or violate something: to pay due attention to and refrain from violating something
3. be considerate toward somebody or something: to show consideration or thoughtfulness in relation to somebody or something



Good point with the definitions.

I normally consider Respect to mean the 1st definition.

I did not consider the 3rd definition. I think this is what both Tao and DL-44 are taking into consideration.

I also agree with point 3 being given straight away.

I do NOT agree with point 1 being automatically given, however, as I stated. That must be earned, for me.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 13:41 Edit Quote

I don't know why I did not think of the definitions, Thanks Blaise you're right to point that out.
Yes you're right WebShaman I was thinking more of (2) and (3) than the first definition.

This is the kind of respect I like

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 13:45 Edit Quote
quote:

Tao said:
I don't know why I did not think of the definitions, Thanks Blaise you're right to point that out.



QFT lol

(Edited by Arthurio on 03-12-2008 13:48)

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 13:54 Edit Quote

Flippin heck
So sorry Arthurio. I try to multitask and I fall flat on my face.
~sigh~ Oh dear
[edit] what does QFT mean?[edit]
[edit2] Ah ok I used those three or four brain cells I have left and googled it[/edit2]
heh Blaise is not even in the thread.
Karin, my mate, laughing her socks off as she's always amazed at how I just cannot multitask.

quote:

It's like watching the clowns at the circus watching you make tea and toast.




(Edited by Tao on 03-12-2008 14:02)

Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 14:10 Edit Quote

Hey, wah?! Why are my ears burning?

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 14:13 Edit Quote

LOL
I'll just be over here in the corner, with the red face.
heh, ~waves at Blaise.....sheepishly~

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 15:19 Edit Quote

Don't worry ... noone will remember that ... after 2-3 years ... maybe 5 ...

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 16:08 Edit Quote

Hah!

We still remember the Episode where Schizo shat his britches!

And the Ray episodes... (well, perhaps that has been forgotten...)

And they were YEARS ago!

This is going to be Tingle-Tangle Tao's mark on the Asylum!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 17:47 Edit Quote
quote:

WebShaman said:

This is going to be Tingle-Tangle Tao's mark on the Asylum!


We like alliteration. Whoopos I've slipped into the second person, or is that the third person? These things can be rather discombobulating.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 03-12-2008 17:55 Edit Quote

Bring back Threep!!!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-11-2008 20:26 Edit Quote
quote:

Tao said:

Respect is something that I will give straight away, a person can only lose my respect.


I completely agree with Tao on this point.

It usually takes quite a lot for me to lose respect for someone and that is why it takes even more for it to be restored. Unfortunately, the more times I lose respect for people in my life the more they confirm how rare it is for them to care enough to patch things back up. But I always pray for reconciliation and hold out hope that one day they'll have that change of heart.

. . . : : . . Innervating Your Eyes & Mind : . . .

whatsupdoc
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Nov 2010

IP logged posted posted 11-19-2010 14:40 Edit Quote

how about
'respect is earned through mutual respect'.
i would respect a person initially but if i do not get it back after a few times i would loose respect for that person.thus mutual respect is necessary.

sophielucky
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Miami
Insane since: Nov 2010

IP logged posted posted 11-29-2010 06:49 Edit Quote

In my opinion, there is no direct relation between respect and mutual respect.
If you respect others, you will get respects in return.
But if you disrespect others, you will never get respects.

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-29-2010 21:21 Edit Quote

I tend to or at least try to think of respect as something I do for myself, not for another person.

I like to think I'm polite, kind, etc. toward others regardless of how they treat me because that's the type of person I am. There might be people I dislike or don't care for but I try not to treat them any differently than anyone else.

(Edited by Jestah on 11-30-2010 02:39)

jade
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: houston, tx usa
Insane since: Mar 2003

IP logged posted posted 12-16-2010 17:13 Edit Quote
quote:
I say this because unfortunately some members of the human race are rather nasty people. I am not joking, not all people are good as I once thought they were. Add to that the pitiful amount of time we have on this earth. I would rather spend my time and energy on people who are honest truthful and good.




I respect everyone regardless if they seem to lack a respectful nature towards others and to themselves. I show them due respect as human even if they are nasty or are an undesirable. I never loose respect if ones actions are deemed not respectable. Many of those I know lie, could be shallow, selfish and mean spirited , not tolerant and have potty mouths. I still befriend them and associate with them. However, I may be dissappointed in how they act or what they do or say. But I never abandon them as friends or aquaintences. IMO ...many we know or do not personally know can seem respectable but have hidden defects that we may not know about that would be shocking, etc... so they may not be deserving of a title of being a respectable upstanding individual. But as far a treating them with respect regardless that is another thing altogether.



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