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DmS
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Sthlm, Sweden
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 02-25-2003 09:38

...can be read here http://www.hevanet.com/peace/microsoft.htm
It's long but well written and worth a read if you are interested in a view on where MS is going with its products.
/Dan

{cell 260}
-{ a vibration is a movement that doesn't know which way to go }-

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 11:09

Some of this I was aware of but obviously not all. It's stuff like this that just makes you wanna smack bill uplongside the head.

Someone here recently posted a link to a site that had software that removed (allegedly)the spyware built into xp. Anyone know that link?
It's a good read and gets better as it goes on. thanx.


"The contract says that if a user wants to patch his or her system against a defect that would allow an attack over the Internet, he or she must give Microsoft legal control over the computer.
....
Since Microsoft can change the contract at any time and without control by the user, Microsoft can bind users to contracts that it invents in the future. This is a new development in contract law. A user is bound to a new contract if he or she wants defect fixes and security fixes. But this gives the user no control, since once security flaws are widely known, every computer must have the fixes or remain vulnerable. "


Had to add this bit from the article.... might just be enough to make other inmates have a read. =)

"Windows 98 dies on January 16, 2005. The most widely used operating system in the world will be declared dead on January 16, 2005, according to a table at the bottom of the Life Cycle policy pages mentioned above. The right-hand column says, "End of Life (effective date after end of online self-help support)"."




[This message has been edited by NoJive (edited 02-25-2003).]

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 12:04

That's an incredible article...thank you very much for posting the link...


WebShaman

velvetrose
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: overlooking the bay
Insane since: Apr 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 12:57

billy must have been listening to that fellow he hired from sgi.. you know the guy that took that company from the heights down into the mud? i forget his name, but he didn't last the 5 years he was contracted for.. sgi bought out his contract and then billy boy hired him

i can't see anyone staying with ms after this news spreads..

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 15:00

Heh...you'd be surprised, what some people won't believe...or do, for that matter.

However, I do think the tide is finally starting to turn, against Microsoft...how glad I am, that I didn't go out and buy XP...what a piece of cr*p for an OS...

kuckus
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Berlin (almost)
Insane since: Dec 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 16:51

NoJive: XP-AntiSpy is probably what you mean as it can disable many of those update/authentication "features" WinXP ships with:

http://www.xpantispy.de/Eng/setup.exe

Off to read the article now . . .

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 16:59

Can it disable all of them, and leave XP usable?

Lacuna
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: the Asylum ghetto
Insane since: Oct 2002

posted posted 02-25-2003 18:06

ack! i read about this a couple weeks ago....can't remember where...but whatever site it was had an email thing where you could send them an email aginst this and they would then forward it on to ms and all sorts of government officals.
i'll dig around and see if i can't find that again....

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 18:21

In light of the topic, I present this article

quote:
The Microsoft Windows XP Application Compatibility Toolkit is designed to dramatically reduce time needed to tests and update applications to run on Windows XP. The toolkit is also designed to assist IT administrators in optimizing applications for Windows XP.

The portal also includes the Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer 1.1, which scans corporate desktops for missing security updates and service packs and identifies common system misconfigurations, providing an individual XML security report for each desktop scanned.

-- Interweek.com



What a great way, for Microsoft to 'identify' what a company has (and doesn't have) on their desktops...hoboy...

Lacuna
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: the Asylum ghetto
Insane since: Oct 2002

posted posted 02-25-2003 19:31

ok....it took much digging...but here's some links
http://antitcpa.alsherok.net/phpnuke/html/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/index.shtml

Petskull
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 02-25-2003 20:02

I read that a while ago, I think one of www.tuxedo.org's pages took me there..


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NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 02-25-2003 23:11

Thanx Kukus.

niteroll
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Feb 2003

posted posted 02-26-2003 04:43

MicroNSA

Silence is another speech. -Me
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Wangenstein
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The year 1881
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-26-2003 20:35

Wow, DmS, that's some read. Thanks for the link!



Evil in theory, not so much in practice...

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Charles River
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 02-27-2003 07:09

Just to make you guys happier with Bill Gates policy. http://www.tecchannel.de/betriebssysteme/1126/index.html

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 02-27-2003 09:02

Yes... and I'm an old guy. I'm gonna be dead a long time soon (actuarily[sp?])but a bunch of you young'unz gonna be here for another HALF CENTURY and shit like this and similar should be of great/paramount/humongous; (pick your adjective)concern to you. wasting my breath?

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-27-2003 11:40

Well Velvetrose, here are a 'few' comments on M$ from some inmates

quote:
WS - but where are the alternatives? WinXP/2000 are the first Windowses that are running really stable on my system (apart from these odd errors if they're actually Windows' fault ), and since I tend to play recent games from time to time 2000 isn't really an option. What I need to do, though, is getting more into Linux (esp. Wine) - but that only makes sense if I can get it to work with the scanner, digicam and cd recorder... bah.

-- Kuckus



quote:
WS - despite all the fuss, I don't have better option than WinXP for my situation. It does everything I want, it's stable, it has a lot of compatibility, it's very easy to find the softwares I need (strict and latu sensu), etc. etc. I would never change my OS because of a single article. An article express the opinion of one or some persons. I am concerned with what the article tells but not to the point of changing OS, not even close to it. I believe that when things turn out to be really worrisome, then Linux will be much more of an alternative then it is today, and then I'll make the move.

-- viol



From this thread

I personally use Win98ME...and have no problems with it. It is stable (remarkably enough, after all the work I've done on it), and runs everything fine.

velvetrose
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: overlooking the bay
Insane since: Apr 2001

posted posted 02-27-2003 13:49

ws.. i am running win98 also, but i can't imagine the general user will be happy about having MS monitoring them! it may be that the community will continue to create tools to disable the features mentioned in the article, in which case, MS may not go down the tubes..

edit-fix link

[This message has been edited by velvetrose (edited 02-27-2003).]

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-27-2003 14:11

As the article points out, some areas are just not known for what they do, in the case of XP. So the only ones who really know what kind of 'holes' it has, is M$.

This issue with XP is what held me back from buying it. That, and the fact that Win98ME runs fine...so why upgrade to something that one cannot trust? I don't want M$ 'mucking about' inside of my computer! If Linux would finally come out with a version that would run PS flawlessly, I'd drop M$ OS overnight. I really like Linux...just wish it was a bit more flexible...but I suspect the change is coming...can't wait for the day...

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 02-27-2003 17:49

they have a linux that runs PS flawlessly.... it's called OSX



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Charles River
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 02-27-2003 20:10

OSX is partly owned by Bill Gates. So...

Petskull
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 02-27-2003 21:58

actually, Bit, you're thinking Unix...


... a Gates does have a huge stake in it...


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bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 02-27-2003 23:07

aww they're all the same thing.

But Bill Gates owns part of what??? viol you have to substantiate that kind of claim I don't see BG owning any bit of that





.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Charles River
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 02-28-2003 05:26

I remember sometime ago I read something about Bill Gates investing 100 or 200 million dollars in Apple. I'm pretty sure I read somthing like this. Why would he invest in the Apple company?

ADDED: here: http://www.larrysworld.com/articles%5Cmsapple.htm

[This message has been edited by viol (edited 02-28-2003).]

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