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Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 11-20-2003 23:30

THEY'RE

Use this when you're abbreviating "they are." The first thing you should do when determining which "there" word to use is to ask yourself, "could this be replaced with the words 'they are'?" If so, use "they're." You know this is correct because the apostrophe is there to replace the "a" in "are". When you pronounce "they're", try to separate out the "they" from the "re" to remind yourself of this.

THEIR

The next thing you should ask is, "am I talking about something which belongs to someone?" If you're trying to express that something "belongs to them", say that it's "theirs".

THERE

Otherwise, use this one. Typically, it's used to indicate a location ("over there"), although it has a few other uses. Use this word only when you have checked the other two and found that both of them were wrong.

Thank you.

Ramasax
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: PA, US
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 11-20-2003 23:53

Glad to see I am not the only one who has a problem with this common English mistake.

Quick test:
________ coming to take me away, haha.
________black pills are stronger.
________ is no rhyme or reason for such insanity.



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Sash
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Canada, Toronto
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 00:29

I cought myself so many times by typing "you" when I meant "your". I know what the difference between the two is, but I often make this mistake. Lazzy typing or something.

Sasha »

Steve
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Boston, MA, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 00:58

Thank you Slime.

Now ... on to its/it's


Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 01:08

Oh, by the way, they're's a new strongbad email which is relevant =)

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*snicker*

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krets
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: KC, KS
Insane since: Nov 2002

posted posted 11-21-2003 01:28

Next you should make a post on the appropriate use of "that" and "which".



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Perfect Thunder
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milwaukee
Insane since: Oct 2001

posted posted 11-21-2003 01:28

Bob the Angry Flower has already covered it's vs. its.

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Alevice
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Mexico
Insane since: Dec 2002

posted posted 11-21-2003 01:41

Someone help me with in/on/at. Thats the most problematic trouble on engrish for me ;P

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UnknownComic
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Los Angeles
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 11-21-2003 02:17

Is they're an engrish language? when most pepole use that is it there enunciation their poking fun at?

just cyoriose...

Is this thing on?

A Work In Progress

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 11-21-2003 02:22
quote:
Someone help me with in/on/at. Thats the most problematic trouble on engrish for me ;P



In a box on the table at my house.

Boy I bet that helped out a lot! Also you forgot the apostrophe on "That's"

also, I can't let Ramasax's quick test go:

They're coming to take me away, haha.
Their black pills are stronger.
There is no rhyme or reason for such insanity.

<edit>screwed up the top section </edit>

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

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Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 11-21-2003 03:42

As a former English major, I feel obliged to follow up on krets' suggestion, especially since a lot of people seem to confuse "that" and "which". They can be especially difficult for non-native English speakers (in Korean, for example, there is no clear-cut distinction between "that" and "which").

The difference, really, is in whether the clause is restrictive (key to the meaning of the sentence) or non-restrictive (not key to the meaning of the sentence). A restrictive clause has no comma and generally uses that, while a non-restrictive clause has a comma and generally uses which. Since this is a lot easier shown than explained, here is an example:

  • Suho ate the donut that Emps had been saving for a rainy day.
  • Suho ate the donut, which was covered with chocolate frosting.



In the first sentence, the fact that Emps had been saving the donut for a rainy day is key to the meaning of the sentence--it makes my eating of the donut that much more tragic (and possibly dangerous). In the second sentence, however, the fact that the donut was covered with chocolate frosting is merely additional information, and not vital to understanding the sentence.

You'll notice that, in my explanation above, I said "generally" twice. That's because the restrictiveness/non-restrictiveness of a clause is determined by the presence or lack of a comma, not by the use of "that" or "which". "That" and "which" are used because they are easier to distinguish than a comma when spoken. Technically, Slime's sentence up there is a restrictive clause, and means the same thing as "There's a new Strongbad email that is relevant." In the interest of making things less confusing to most native English speakers (who are used to seeing "which" with a comma and "that" without), though, I would go with the second version.


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Michael
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: *land
Insane since: Nov 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 03:50

That which donut that Suho stole from that they're Emps was a good thing because Emps didnt need all the calories that that donut had in it's ingredients. n' stuff.

=)

JKMabry
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of a sleepy funk
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 04:28

that was well said, Michael.

Now someone splain proper comma useage

Jason

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 11-21-2003 05:42
quote:

  • Suho ate the donut that Emps had been saving for a rainy day.
  • Suho ate the donut, which was covered with chocolate frosting.




  • Suho realised far too late where Emps had been hiding the donut all day.
  • Suho realised far too late that there was no chocolate frosting.



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Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 11-21-2003 11:04

*sigh*

Well, at least we're having fun with grammar. And if all it takes is a little scatological humor to enjoy grammar, then I can deal with that.




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Raptor
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: AČ, MI, USA
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 11-21-2003 15:15

Lose vs Loose.

That is all.

[edit: removed bold so links are obvious]

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Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 16:24

WRONG:
John was talking to David and I.

WRONG:
John was talking to David and myself.

RIGHT:
John was talking to David and me.

WHY:
Remove "David and" and you'll see.

I'll let someone else tackle "who" and "whom."


Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 16:39

I thought I could leave it at one lesson, but anyone who knows me shouldn't be surprised by a second post ...

SINGULAR: emu
PLURAL: emus / NOT emu's
(The same with "shortened" forms of words like photo and with proper nouns like Volvo.)

SINGULAR: one (As in "I need the one on the top shelf.")
PLURAL: ones / NOT one's (As in "I like the ones with lubrication.")

SINGULAR: Kennedy
PLURAL: the Kennedys / NOT the Kennedy's / DEFINITELY NOT the Kennedies


Petskull
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 17:07

Whom cares, Wes..?

*snicker*


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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 11-21-2003 17:27

Wes:

quote:
SINGULAR: Kennedy
PLURAL: the Kennedys / NOT the Kennedy's / DEFINITELY NOT the Kennedies

The counter example:

SINGULAR: a Teletubby
PLURAL: the Teletubbies



Sorry

Mathieu "POÏ" HENRI

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Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 11-21-2003 17:39

True, but you're referring to an invented proper noun, not a family name. (Besides, I imagine "Teletubbies" came first as the name of the show and the singular followed.)

Incidentally, I wonder why that example came to you so readily ...


Ooh, that reminds me of another one:

WRONG: I wonder why that thing is blue?
RIGHT: I wonder why that thing is blue.

WRONG: Guess what color my thing is?
RIGHT: Guess what color my thing is.


Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 11-22-2003 02:00
quote:
RIGHT: Guess what color my thing is.


Do we really have to answer that?


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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 11-22-2003 02:47

OK I have taken all that on board but what about calling women cute?

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Moon Dancer
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Lost Grove
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted posted 11-22-2003 05:59

To add to the "Lose vs Loose" ...

Choose vs Chose

Breath vs Breathe same link, just scroll down

I know, sometimes it is just an honest spelling mistake... but just in case it isn't!



mystic_colors32
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: bellevue, mich usa
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 11-22-2003 07:34

we call it typos.......chubby fingers....typing faster then the brain.....my thought.. lickies mystic

http://www.geocities.com/mystic_colors32/MysticsNook2.html

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 11-22-2003 07:54
quote:
typing faster then the brain

I don't know if I'm wrong or not, but I'd have written "typing faster than the brain".

Wes: I'm totally twisted. Beside that, I must admit that when I "accidentally" zapped on the Teletubbies, I literally stared at the show and watched it at the 7th degree. I can't resist to their pretty faces

Mathieu "POÏ" HENRI

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 11-22-2003 09:01

Yup, you're right: it should be "than"

Although after that comment about the Teletubbies, I think I'm going to have to up the voltage in your shock treatments anyway...


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Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 11-22-2003 11:58

Added to the :FAQ:

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"Art has to be forgotten. Beauty must be realized."
Piet Mondriaan

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bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 11-22-2003 12:42
quote:
Emps: but what about calling women cute?


I think we covered that... you can do it, but you take your life in your hands depending on what woman you're talking to at the moment!

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 11-22-2003 14:23

OK can some explain the difference between:

peasants and pedants?

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Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 11-22-2003 16:10

ok...

Peasant: A member of the class including small farmers, tenants and herd-tenders in feudal England, or an uncouth or ill-bred person (just like me).

Pedant: One who puts on an air of learning; one who makes a vain display of learning; a pretender to superior knowledge.

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