Topic: What do you think?

Hello Clans! Please review my newly designed web site and feel free to share some thoughts. http://www.blacksoulsunday.com tnx!

To live is to die...

Did you crosspost this to both the site reviews forum and the photoshop forum? If so, please don't do that. Someone moved it from the photoshop forum to this forum, where it belongs, and so there were two of them. I deleted one since they're identical.

[actually, no, it looks like someone else just deleted the duplicate before i got a chance to.]

Anyway, point is, crossposting isn't necessary and is obnoxious, so please don't do it. thanks

Tnx man!

To live is to die...


[This message has been edited by blacksoulsunday (edited 04-13-2002).]

That's a cool thing where you mousover an image and it lights up. Is that through dhtml, or just animated .gif's? I've been seeing that a lot latley. Sorry that I don't have any advice to give, I just wanted to know about that.

http://www.kewlster.com

Tnx for giving the site a visit! It's all about Script/DTHML.


To live is to die...



[This message has been edited by blacksoulsunday (edited 04-13-2002).]

Testing!



[This message has been edited by blacksoulsunday (edited 04-13-2002).]

Html is disabled, use UBB code for things like bold, italic. Font is not a valid option. You can access the UBB code help notes from teh page when you are making a post.

Your site takes way too long to DL btw, didnt bother

Do you mind just giving me the UBB code that you've used in your signature image down below ? I can make the image appear but doesn't know how to make a link out of it.

BTW, you might be using 14k , we never had problems entering the site in morethan 120 secs. in 56k . Anyhow, I may need some speed on that when I get a chance. Tnx!

One more thing, Is this your site? >> http://worldzone.net/arts/magician/a2.htm If so, you need a SERIOUS designing / renovating to do on it ! We didn't see any productivity towards the community of WWW.

... I didn't bother either!

To Live is To Die...





[This message has been edited by blacksoulsunday (edited 04-13-2002).]

blacksoulsunday: I'll give a proper review later (the site looks great) but 750kb for you main page is just too big for us folk in dialupville - you probably do need that splash screen (although I'm not sure there is any need to be telling us what browser and screen size to use!!).

Emps

OUCH that hurts bubba! ROFL , thanks you've really ruined my illusions.. bummer

*wanker*

nope none at all

Hey Vogo! How did you make a link out of your running man logo? Pls. post the exact UBB that you have used. Tnx!

Also, where can i download the Script for this << # asylum ? >> to link it from my site? If it's emailed by the forum master, I haven't received any.


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[This message has been edited by blacksoulsunday (edited 04-13-2002).]

*url=http://www.yourdomainname.com* *IMG*Http://www.yourimagepath*/IMG* */URL*

substitute the * for either a [ or an ] ,

::edit:: similar to the < or > html tags, you have to open and close with [ or ]

::edit 2:: Read it here

::edit 3 :: not sure about teh asylum web ring? I never joined it (obviously cos I got nuttin to contribute to teh WWW!! lol, I guess you just have to wait for the Doc to reply, arent all the instructions on the web ring page?



[This message has been edited by vogonpoet (edited 04-13-2002).]

Testing!

You're the man, Vogo!!! Tnx!

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[This message has been edited by blacksoulsunday (edited 04-13-2002).]

Woo Hoo!

::edit:: at least your not as stupid as you sound!!!! LOL,

btw.. I like your head image alot, but I still think the site is too heavy on bandwidth! I'll check at work Monday where I have T1 access, lol

[This message has been edited by vogonpoet (edited 04-13-2002).]

well , just redesign your site, add up some interesting concepts and ur up to go! I'll even link you!

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Site looks great. That grid kinda hurt my eyes while waiting on the images to load up. That voice freaked my dog out..lol

-Wil


[This message has been edited by wilmonkey (edited 04-13-2002).]

lol Wil! that sig just kills me everytime I see it! good timing!

BlackSoul dude: no thanks.. I dont need a link! know what I mean? heh ciao bella newbie

Tnx Wilmonkey!

No probs Vog!



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Vp: Wondering what you did to the 'thumbnails' on Magician? Desaturate and then variations? I like it.

NoJIve: yup, basically, flattened the image, desaturated, then used hue/sat (colourize checked) to add colour. (saved the hue/sat setting so each one is the same) ~Vp~

Yikes! I have to agree with VP on the bandwith issues.

Anyway, nice colours and imagery. Overally it's quite nice but there are a couple of things I'd like to pick at.

The text. I think it's too small. More so, it's really hard to read on that background. The only other thing is that the site just feels really busy and congested. Again, this is because of the grid background.

Hey thanks ! Ya, I will lessen the bytes when i get the chance.

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blacksoul,

That is a nice bit of smoke on your splash page... but I was the one who created it.

http://www.blacksoulsunday.com/smokeeffect2.gif

looks a bit like this, no?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/opowers/eyezaer/cig.gif

It is in no way, "cool" to rip even from sigs. Oh, and its background does not even match you page. at all.

If you would have asked for help with that smoke I would have been more than happy to help yah (and make it blend in with your page). But as is... Please take it down.



[This message has been edited by eyezaer (edited 04-21-2002).]

Damn...a graphics ripper...I feel a scalpin' comin' on

:: blacksoulsunday :: :: ____________________create, don't steal.

and thats on your title bar? Thats absolutely shameful I guess my first instincts about you were correct.

I think Izzay deserves immediate justice and an apology. I can't beleive you would have that as a title and then have a ripped graphic right there! lol...

I am guessing now that the head on your page is also 'ripped' ?

that is funky cold medina von *lol*

oh and to think i thought his web page was styling* i even e-mailed him--

shyst oneroclkaos
nyc/cali

Wow... that is pretty bad. I don't know if blacksoulsunday is reading this, though, as nothing has changed yet on his site. The least he could do is change the title bar to "why create when you can steal?" or something to that effect.

What strikes me as most amazing here is that he had the gall to rip a graphic out of the sig of a well-known (and, as far as I can tell, being a newbie and all, well-respected) poster and then come here and ask for a site review! Now that, folks, is what I call shameless.

Why be original when you can steal from those that are? I didn't even notice it the first time I went to his site. And I still stand by what I said before, that damn grid hurts my eyes.

to be fair (if thats really right) I visited his site and I dont believe Izzay's smoke was there to begin with. I am sure I, if not someone else here would have immediately recognized it. I think that this person (rat) came here looking for a site review, hung around a bit, saw Izzay's smoke and thought it would be good to rip off! lol

I am still convinced if he/she ripped the smoke, that face on the main page must be a rip also. One would have thought that someone who could make a face like that (which I think is good ) would be able to create his/her own smoke ani?

oh well.. Izzay , I doubt this person will ever be back here to post again, so why not elevate this rip to the main forum, for some good ole Asylum retribution? heh

hehehe.... And its a BAD rip at that! Sheesh! That was not there when black first posted here. I looked at his page then, thought about saying someting about the grid... No smoke though.

yah VP... I sent him an email around mid day... I will wait a little longer.

. . .

VP: good point. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing the smoke there when I first checked out the site either. Less gall than I first thought, perhaps, but still quite cheesy.

[Edit:] Izzay: If you don't get a response from blacksoulsunday, you could always curse him .


[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 04-22-2002).]

Well, it's still there...what really gets me riled up is that he explicitly says he created it himself!!!!

quote:

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Delta V.: I had 2 much smoke last night dat i even brought it onto my design dis morning! yup, designed it in IMR.

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I've written my $ .02 in his 'message' area...

*Slaps blacksoulsunday*

Yeah, the more I think about it...his name on his site is Delta V...and not blacksoulsunday. Maybe he just wanted to 'increase' traffic to his site by coming here...would explain the name.

You know, people like this really piss me off. All he had to do, was do the tut. It's not all that hard. Seems like he's just too lazy to learn it. I mean, he spend a bit of time 'ripping' the graphic, then cutting the cigar portion out of it. In the time spend to do that, he could of learned how it's done.

Also, he's pretty stupid. I mean, if I was gonna rip something, I wouldn't ask for a review of my site with the graphic on the splash page, for all to see. Let's hope that maybe, just maybe, he's not aware that what he is doing is wrong. One can always hope...and the graphic is still there...

Too bad he didn't decide to 'rip' DG...that would have been interesting....DG just seems to have a way with words...

Jesus...I just went through his site, looked at all his graphics...man, he's been ripping right and left. He's ripped from www.liquisoft.com (the 'bird' wallpaper is ripped from the graphic 'Dreams', it even has part of the liquisoft name in the graphic!). And god knows where else. He even has managed to get awards for his site!!!

I think we have a 'real' ripper here, and not just some kid playing around...and I, for one, won't tolerate that. I have informed Liquisoft of this, and the awarder of the golden award. It's one thing to make a mistake, but what he is doing here is blatant ripping for private gains...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-22-2002).]

[Long post ahead: sorry )

WebShaman: I feel your pain. Or perhaps I should say I feel a different sort of pain. Unlike most of the very talented people here, I have little to no artistic talent. I hold all of the regulars here in very high esteem, knowing that they exist on a different artistic plane than I.

I started coming to the Asylum at about the same time that blacksoulsunday (or Delta V, take your pick) started coming. I wasn't all that thrilled with his design, to be honest, but I recognized he had artistic talent that I didn't have. I bristled at some of the comments he made here and in other threads, but mainly kept my mouth shut because I was new and I didn't really know the people here (I'm still getting to know most of you, slowly but surely). But I really didn't expect him to do something like this. As a fellow newbie, in some twisted way I feel ashamed for him (as he apparently has no shame himself). It's almost painful for me.

Where I live, the idea of intellectual property rights (or whatever you may wish to call them) is still catching on. Most web designers would have no qualms whatsoever about ripping graphics from wherever they can find them. This is one of the cultural differences that I just haven't been able to adapt to. To give an example, I am currently working on a site and I was looking around for some images I could use as buttons. I found the perfect photos on another Korean website, and I bookmarked the page. Then I said to my wife, "Well, I'd better e-mail him and ask him if he minds if I use these as buttons." My wife (who is Korean) looked at me and said, "Why? He probably ripped them from somewhere else." Which is probably true, but I could not in good conscience just put them on my site without at least asking.

OK, I'm rambling here, which often happens when I'm procrastinating. But I do have a point, and it is this: there are some people out there who have no moral qualms about ripping other people's work. We may send him voodoo curses (Ahem... who, me?), we may post withering (albeit brief) comments on his website, but the fact of the matter is that all this is probably not going to bother him. He may never take down that graphic. I guess I'm really just talking to myself here, because I don't really like to hear that the world is not fair, the evil don't always get punished, and the good guys don't always win. But it's the truth.

(Just in case anyone here might think I'm overreacting, let me explain: I have chosen the path of the scholar, and the issue of intellectual property rights is one that is very important to me. When I was teaching English in Mongolia, one of my students came in with an essay that he clearly ripped straight from a tourism magazine. I gave him several chances to own up to what he did, but to the very end he insisted that he had written it. My boss was afraid of what rumors in the community might do to the school if we threw him out, so he forbade me to take any action. I threw him out anyway, risking losing my job and possibly sinking the school--neither of which ended up happening. Anyway, that should give you an idea of how I feel about the subject.)



[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 04-22-2002).]

Suho1004 if your attitude is that you can't do anything about it (ripping), you are wrong. We (the asylum) have protected our members interests before (for Doc, and for Gedadesign). And we will again (maybe in this case, for example). You say there is little that one can do against this perp? I say you are wrong. If you read my post again, you will see what can be done. And more can be done. Such things can not be tolerated. Period.

I feel that honest designers have a duty to keep this sort of stuff down to a minimum, and to fight it wherever it is encountered. To say 'nothing can be done' is defeatism. No, it's not my graphic that got ripped. But this thief is bringing dishonor on the asylum and designers as a whole. It's not really my crusade, but...I just can't tolerate such stuff.

In the words of DG...stop talking about it, and do something about it.

Nice to see that you did. Just don't understand your attitude (or convictions) in this case.

edit: posty go bye-bye

[This message has been edited by Michael (edited 04-23-2002).]

WebShaman: Wow. I stand corrected (and quite chastened). What I posted above was not what I would consider my "convictions" or my "attitude" (since I get the feeling you are using the word here in a negative sense). Chalk it up to ignorance instead. As you know, I am new around here, and I have not witnessed the events you refer to.

Actually, the wording in your post (which was only four paragraphs when I posted) got me wondering, but I really wasn't sure what you were talking about. I am not a designer myself, so I don't really know the channels one would go through in this situation. I suppose the rampant plagiarism on the web has gotten me rather depressed, which led to my post above.

I want to make it clear that my post was in no way saying that those of you who can do something about this should just sit back and do nothing. I was not trying to be defeatist. If something can be done, than I completely agree with you that something should be done (I hope that my little anecdote about my time in Mongolia showed my attitude on the matter). I know for one that I would not want to stand between you and Delta V!

I know, that's what I get for opening my big mouth on a subject about which I have no idea. Please, go do what you have to do, and don't mind me.

*steps aside for WebShaman*

[Edit]: Incidentally, I went to the Golden Web Awards site and looked at the 2002-2003 winners. Blacksoulsunday was not among them... this pretty much proves Michael's point.

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 04-22-2002).]

[Edit]: Ah, that explains it... wrong time frame.

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 04-22-2002).]

Unfortunately, Michael, he did 'earn' the golden award...I checked that out and sent a letter to the webmaster there. His site is listed as winning the award (but for 2000-2001, not 2002-2003).

quote:

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The site blacksoulsunday is a proud winner of the 2001- 2002 Golden Web Award

NOTE: This verification search tool only verifies websites
having been submitted and processed during the
previous six months.

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That really pissed me off, so that's why I implemented the rest of my mails...and really started looking through his site...

Oh, Suho1004, don't take my words so hard...I was just pointing out the flaws in your 'logic'. If you stick around, you'll see what can be done...and if you search the archives, you'll find examples of what's been done before. Many that come here don't seem to realize where they are...this is the Asylum! And we have members from all walks of life here. And some of us don't like it when someone rips stuff. Especially when it's stuff from fellow members. And, in this case, when it's somebody who supposedly came here looking for help, rips stuff, and leaves (probably laughing at our 'stupidity'. Well, he won't be laughing long...). I really don't expect him to come back...especially considering his remarks to others and then this...pretty hard to swallow, if you ask me. If he does come back, he'll definetely get roasted. And scalped.

But then, maybe he just doesn't know what he's done...yeah right, and I'm the pope.


[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-22-2002).]

WebShaman: Believe me, I'll be sticking around, and I'm looking forward to learning more about everyone here. I've already learned that you are not a group of people to mess with.

Here's a case: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20000729-1-000124.html or this one: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20010714-1-001747.html

like I said...do a search of the Asylum...and take a trip through the Hall of Fame...you'll be amazed at everything lurking within these walls...I know I was (and still am).

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-22-2002).]

hahahahaha!!! I got your forum going and steaming eyyy!!!

BTW,Tnx for the ratings!

To Live is To Die...

You are a dead man, john. Dead. This is meant internet-wise. If there is one thing that we cannot stand, it's someone like you...0-tolerance...



[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 04-22-2002).]

Fuck it! Enough has been said

[This message has been edited by CPrompt (edited 04-22-2002).]

So has any action been taken against this? I mean you should do something about it if you're gonna talk about it so much. Sorry if you already have, but I just haven't seen much people talking about what they did to put a stop to it.

edit: well I just read his shoutbox thing and it appears they did it all for ratings. I was wondering why he'd put the smoke there cause it doesn't really work well, but anyways it's a bad thing to do, but you gotta admit it worked. Although I'm a bit curious how this affects his "ratings" because it's not like search engines will rank his page much higher if at all, and all this has done is make people mad at him.

kewl

Mad Scientist

[This message has been edited by maninacan (edited 04-23-2002).]

He's obviously just an anti-social kid. "Ooo, I got hits from people who hate me." I could get a lot more hits than that with a lot less work just by putting up a bunch of racist BS and posting to a bunch of boards.

Just think of what this guy is like in real life and rather than be angry you'll probably just feel sorry for him.

I am concerned about the messages at the shoutbox right now though. Looks like he is going to try to hack some people who posted there. I hope you guys have the tools to monitor your network connection and make sure they aren't succesful in attacking you. If you do get any unauthorized activity towards your account (port scans and such), please log his IP so legal action can be initiated. How satisfying would it be to get this kid banned from computers legally?

-jiblet

I doubt he knows enough to hack anyone. He doesn't seem very smart. Although it'd be pretty funny to screw up his site. Hmmmmmmmmm.......

kewl

Mad Scientist

Definitely not smart enough to exploit a buffer overflow and reconstruct the stack afterwards leaving no trace of hacking, but probably smart enough to download a script that breaks WinXP.

-jiblet

I'm not too worried about his (or his friends) hacking my computer. At any rate, I keep a log of all suspicious activity...

It's just really pathetic. He's obviously some 16 year old kid (not to disparage any decent 16 year-olds who might be here!) who thinks he's the bomb. Immaturity at its finest.

Michael, what are you smoking man?

Jason

Well, JK, if you mean me (and I wasn't talking about you, if you got that wrong...). I was talking about John Wycoco - aka Delta V aka blacksoulsunday....

He still hasn't removed all ripped graphic from his site...

He was referring to me, Michael.... not you, Michael.

i was informed what happened here.. of course i don't support rippers in any way.. the blacksoulwhateverguy is kicked out of my affils list... where he has been so far :/ ... oh well, what to say

thumbs up to everyone who stands up against rip kiddies!

cheers

phunk
www.effectlab.com

Welcome, phunk , to the Asylum...very nice to know that some people out there are against this type of stuff. Thank you for your support...and your reply.

I've just been notified of BSS's (?) error, and read his lack of defense and lack of remorse here. Thanks for sending me the information... his link has been removed from my site as well.


Use Photoshop?
Visit Action Fx
http://actionfx.com

Errr... Weird, but I'll keep the link on my affils list.

[This message has been edited by Elektro (edited 04-24-2002).]

Well I take me eye off you good people for a few days and see what happens - I'll not let that happen again!!

Please refer all discussion to this thread as it has all spun far fom the realms of site reviews:
www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/004228.html

I should say well done to those who've removed their affiliate links to BSS (I wonder what the second S stands for as we now know what the BS stands for !!) we like that kind of attitude and quick response and hope you stick around - anyone who keeps the link should be aware that they are tainting themselves by association.

Emps


A good buttock will always find a bench for itself - Estonian proverb