quote:Dear Visitor,
this project make use of the Javascript 1.x/DOM 1.0, HTML 4.x, CSS 2.0, DA and Flash MX technology. Probably your Browser doesn't support one or more of these technologies. Anyway, if you want to see my page, please check this link here. Enjoy!
Yours sincerely,
Cologne, 09.03.03, Chi Hoang
This is not a nice way off doing things. A browser specific redirect would be better. Or even a page stating were you can get the tools which are needed for viewing the ste.
In the intro you state that it's done without flash, in this case it would be better if it was in flash. At least i might be able to skip the intro. I found it very annoying that i was forced to see the whole inro. I also like some sound control. when my music player plays a good song i really don't want to hear 'bleeping-noise-music'
However the fact you created a flash movie without flash might be called an achievement in some way.
But i am not realy shure if i want people to achive this result.
Oh and if you think i am harsh, well i am not, only being honest with you
"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.
Hmm, thanks to you all. The redirection page only appears, if you don't have IE >5.5 , or Flash. Maybe I will put a link to get Flash. I started to learn some techniques (3d Math) so mostly of the site is in JS, because I know this language. But I have already updated some Flash-Files to site. The site is intend to be a "Demo" in the sense of the oldschool-demos on C64, Atari ST and Amiga. So, do not expect big content! I' m not sure about the error, but if a missing object is required, you should wait until the whole page is loaded! Since it is JS, you must wait before all gfx object are loaded, before you can interact with the site. I have pretty the same configuration than yours, so if the problem still occurs, post a msg here. Thanks, again.
1) Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, get rid of that music, or at least offer the option to turn it off. I don't like being forced to turn off my computer speakers.
2) Annoying flying text, which I also cannot turn off.
3) No indication whatsoever what I'm supposed to do here. No response from those icons on rollovers. No logical organization. Nothing at all to hold me here or make me want to see more.
If I were just browsing through, I would be out of this site faster than you could say "Dear God, please make the music stop!"
[Edit: Hmm... OK, I guess that was a tad harsh. I did not mean to offend, I was just trying to be (as Rinswind was) honest.]
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-18-2003 11:36
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Oldschool: The Ozone Asylum inmates doesn't seems to be your aimed audience. Really few people here were involved in the demoscene at the time of the C64, ATARI and AMIGA. In fact, as far as I know, I'm only one. The "nostalgy" of the FX and the style you recreated can't touch the inmates.
Obviously I'm not blind, and I regret to say that the graphism and interface are the weak points of your site.
Concerning the music...well I'm not yet lazy enough to push 3-5 keys to set the pause of my music player or to turn my speakers off for few seconds.
I must say your "3D cube" puzzled me, until I saw it was done with DirectAnimation
If you wish to see/hear some oldschool stuffs, I suggest you to check the following sites : http://equinox.planet-d.net by Sebastion "KEOPS^EQUINOX" VIARD, his site works perfectly in NN4.8 / IE6.0 / MZ1.3 http://www.chiptune.com by Chritophe "REZ^ECLIPSE+TPOLM+..." RESIGNE, which is a huge collection of chiptunes from many computers.
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-18-2003 14:50
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quote:The Ozone Asylum inmates doesn't seems to be your aimed audience. Really few people here were involved in the demoscene at the time of the C64, ATARI and AMIGA. In fact, as far as I know, I'm only one. The "nostalgy" of the FX and the style you recreated can't touch the inmates.
Come on now... maybe you were just trying to make Oldschool feel better, but what do you think this place is, a bunch of teenagers who've never seen a C64? If the "nostalgia" were presented in a way that didn't make me want to shove slivers of bamboo up under my fingernails I would have fully and truly appreciated it. It was most certainly not presented in such a way, and that is the reason for such harsh reviews, not some nonsense about none of us "getting" what he's trying to do. You can come down off your high horse now.
My, I certainly am ornery today... must be getting late.
[Edit: Oi! InI snuck one in right after I clicked reply! Go InI! ]
[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 03-18-2003).]
InI: hehe, you were the little voice in my head giving me some doubts. I wasn't sure when you "entered" the demoscene. I don't want to enter in a sterile and meaningless "I was here first" war. But you might know me well enough now to figure that I can be an ass when I want, so... the first time I did something in a demo spirit was around 1989 on AMSTRAD, after I watching the UNION DEMO and THE BIG DEMO on Atari.
The ones who did "The Froggies other the fence" were : LEGACY ( I saw them working on their 3D screen at the Crystal Summer Convention #1 in 1992, at the time I was had been really puzzled to see them vectorizing a video animation by hand ), THE OVERLANDERS and ST CONNEXION.
EQUINOX are the ones who did the "Vodka demo", "Eat my bollocks", "Virtual escape"...
Thank you for the link to other thread, and reminding me that time. Elmar WISOTZKI did some really good stuffs. Quite close to the real productions released around 1991.
Suho1004: Sorry, your first post and the other inmates posts were rather harsh and din't mention at all that you might have been more sensitive to that "nostalgic" stuffs if it had been presented in a better way.
That, plus the rather small feedback given to InI's threads about demo related stuffs, really gave me the impression that the Ozone Asylum inmates didn't knew the demoscene of the late 80's - early 90's.
quote:You can come down off your high horse now.
Wow, you take the things quite seriously
Glad to see some others knows that part of the computer scene.
Cheers,
Mathieu "POÏ" HENRI
[This message has been edited by poi (edited 03-18-2003).]
Scratch up one more that remembers the old computers with a warm feeling. I could not code for crap (and still can't) but made a bit of gfx with Koala Painter
I've been an avid demo-freak since my first spectrum back in -84 later going through both the C64 and the Amiga.
But what bugs me with this site is that I can't bloody see anything
I get the blue forrest-hills, and then the loading freezes when trying to open webcrypt.htm
But the error message is gone now.
I really want to see stuff to remind me of the "good" old days w obnoxious scrollers and such.
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-18-2003 18:14
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poi: Yeah, you're right. I was a bit harsh on Oldschool, and I was a bit harsh on you as well. Sometimes I get that way when I get sharp, pointy things stuck in my craw. Apologies for my abrasiveness and lack of tact.
Hmm, thx again 2 all of u. Your critics are some kind of "hard", and I know my site is far about to be perfect. But I think it is not that bad. I know the Equinox-Stuff, but they are done in Java, which I don't know, yet. I'm in contact with Elmar W., the other JS-Demo coder, too. And personally I think my Site is better presented than his (i.e Main Menu!) Obviously some of u don't know anything about coding, nor oldschool-effects. As long as u don't show my any of YOUR productions, u critics can't really offend me.
Poi: Thanks for the url www.chiptune.com, i didn't know this site before.
P.S. I'm in the demoscene since 1989, and have done 2 Screens (Skid-Row Demo), and a Game (Sabotage) for the Atari ST. That is not much, but I have learned much about Computer, Assembler and so on. And it was pure fun, and I have meet a lot of funny (and very talented) people. The Alliance Parties were great. And I have to greets Ford Perfect from the Black Monolith Team, my master for a couple of years!
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-24-2003 13:10
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Yeah, don't mess with InI, please. It's for your own good.
quote:Obviously some of u don't know anything about coding, nor oldschool-effects. As long as u don't show my any of YOUR productions, u critics can't really offend me.
I am not a master coder, I'll admit that. I do know a bit about "old school effects," but only on the receiving end. However, I find your argument to be fundamentally flawed. First of all, who said we were trying to offend you? I, for one, wasn't. Second, why should I show you any of my productions? Who came in here asking for a review? If you weren't prepared for possibly harsh reviews, why did you post?
But the thing that bothers me the most is the thinking behind that statement. Basically, what you are saying is that we have no right to criticize your work because we do not code old school demos. Now, let's set aside the facts that some of us do code demos, etc. (InI, for example), and saying that we don't know "anything" about coding is merely a blind, unfounded, sweeping grasp in the dark. That's not important right now. What is important is that you believe someone must be directly involved in a craft in order to be able to criticize that craft. Do you believe that only novelists can be good judges of novels? Or that only painters can appreciate a good painting? If you do, then you are what is called a "snob."
So, I'll ask you again: if you didn't come here to hear criticism, why did you come here? Your first post explicitly said "Any comments are welcome!" Well, apparently they are not. True, some of us may have come across a bit harsh--and some of us have apologized. I do not feel the need, however, to apologize for this post. You obviously have no respect for the people here, and you think you can just ride in here on your high horse and lord your dazzling brilliance over us mere peasants. If that's what you need to think to make you feel better about yourself, than by all means continue as you were. I, however, am finished with you and this thread.
InI: Hahaha, obviously u are a what I call a "lamer". Take a look at your homepage *first*. And get rid of your many *bugs*. And your so-called cool-looking and breaking-new barriers effects are looking cheap and sloopy coded! U r just *buzzword* talking (here and on your site), and if you want to be really cool then help others and write *tutorials*, or make real stuff like Equinox! U r a shame for the scene (back in the days on Amiga or Atari, and now on PC and Browsers).
Suho1004: It is true, I have asked for critics. But that do not means I free you from every kind of *gentle* behaviour! BUT I admit my statement you quote, is intended for coders *only*, not for consumers. So, please accept my excuse. And do critizes what u want!
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-24-2003 16:03
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InI: I'm just kidding, and you are getting no clue, isn't it? I will tell you why u r so lame. U try to speech like a pro, but u only keep on talking *buzzwords*. If u have ever pay attention, you will notice that back in the days we never used the word "scene", nor "scener". So, it is up to u to begin from scratch. And, by the way, please change your *tag*. Otherwise, I think, u are editing *ini* files, not more, not less. My advice: Don't do the mystic scener, or java pro, because coding isn't 2 difficult, as you tell us, especially the demo-stuff. U are a good coder, I can see it on your site (still buggy), maybay a good designer 2, but use your skills with wisdom, and share it with others, and make a lot of money! And update your browser, or will you still surf in hundred of years with *lynx*?
From: Czech Republic via Bristol UK Insane since: Feb 2002
posted 03-24-2003 18:48
*yawns* looks up url, thinks about sleeping again....
hehehe, talk about nostalgia, anyone else remember the commodore pet (i mean one of the earliest damn computers i can remember) mono monitor, built in tape deck and VDU...
hmm demo's walking cat on amiga, alien hmmm what else, damn amstrads lol had the 464, 6128, commodores had an a 500 and 1500....
but that page of yours didnt remind me of the demo's back then, just made me click away, real fast, annoying as hell and certainly wasnt nostalgic...
Hello, what a nice forum. Yo InI here I am. I'm pleased to hear that some of you like my little demos. And if not, it's not a pitty. I can stand criticism
quote:I'm in contact with Elmar W., the other JS-Demo coder, too. And personally I think my Site is better presented than his (i.e Main Menu!)
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-24-2003 23:30
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Ini: I reveive an email from your friend Thomas. He threats me to be kind to u. This is now going to far. Even on boards their are limits. I don't want any anger with you, or your friends. And I accept your opinion. And of all others. You are free to do what u want.
From: Somewhere over the rainbow Insane since: Mar 2001
posted 03-25-2003 11:52
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InI: Aight, I feel now more comfortable with u. At least I got some feedback, although it is mostly bad. Maybe, this is, what I deserve with my site. I wish, I can do better work, but this is, so far, the best I could do. See you, Oldschool.
posted 03-12-2003 14:46
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