Topic awaiting preservation: The ultimate sdk (for Java mainly, and anything you've been dreaming of)

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I have to say I am interested, but I can't actually figure out what it is. The FAQ seems like it is trying to sell a free product as oposed to giving me the nuts and bolts.

-Dan-

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I've used Eclipse a little bit, and yeah, it's "what people use" for J2EE development (when they're not using some $15,000 product like WebSphere). It wasn't able to win me away from JEdit, but that's partly because my needs aren't broad enough at the moment. Eclipse does look very good, and there are tons of plugins and things for it to meet most needs.

I wouldn't call it an SDK (software development kit), though... in my understanding, an SDK is a collection of code (headers, compilers, whatever) that lets you write other code.

Oh, and I agree completely that if you don't already know it's an IDE (integrated development environment, basically a glorified editor with lots of programming tools built in), you can't figure out what it is from the web page. They need a rewrite...

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So... its a dumbed down Emacs?

<note>I tried installing it via the FreeBSD ports but it failed to compile so I quit trying.</note>

-Dan-

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InI: In my ex-company, there was almost as many coder as text editors used, so we tried to use Eclipse. At first sight it was a good idea, and the plugin capabilities of Eclipse were promising. I remember of a coder in our team who used a plugin to export his UML diagrams into JAVA classes and if I'm not wrong the plugin even wrote the prototypes of the classes in PHP. Unfortunately the rush of the projects didn't let the us enough time to make the move and we all stayed with our editor of choice. Personnally I found Eclipse a little slow compared to UltraEdit ( it was not a surprise since these applications are quite different and not done in the same language ).

All this was ~1year ago, and I didn't thought to give Eclipse another chance, but I'd like to be proved its PHP+DHTML support have been improved at the point that I can get rid of UltraEdit.



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emacs vs. Eclipse? (shrug) If you already have an IDE you like, keep it. I played with emacs enough to learn that it has a gazillion plugins, to the point where you can turn it into any IDE you'd like. I was even thinking of using it for a while, but I just couldn't get productive with it -- it was just too different from everything else I'd used. I use JEdit because it offers most of things I liked about emacs (registers, source-editing aids, a ton of edit modes, multi-level undo, plugins) without the things that make emacs too good for plebians like me (vastly nonstandard and nonintuitive keyboard controls).

Note to all aspiring hackers: if you're looking for a text editor with IDE-like features, try emacs first. If you get good with it, you can acquire cred and hauteur as an official emacs user. And then if you ditch it in favor of something easier, you can at least say you understand what's so good about it.

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Since emacs has been brought up, Vim has got to be mentioned as well

I tried Eclipse some time ago, but didn't really like it. Tried installing it on Linux now, but didn't really work. Got a ton of errors while trying to install it, so I'll stick to my trusty, old vim for now.

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I will give this a try as I hear that the SWT library blows Swing away with the use of calls to native widgets. Once they fix the error with the installation I will definatly give it a try.

-Dan-

I'll have to check this out when i get home. I have been using SlickEdit for a while and love it. I'm not a Java dude but I like to use it....

lookin forward to checking this out. thanks for the link

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I tried to get used to Eclipse (w/PHP plugin)for a couple of months, but I found myself always falling back to using my favorite text editor (bbedit) instead. So for now I've just added a few applescripts to customize bbedit and make it more IDE like....

Isn't it funny how you can get so attached to a particular program? In my humble opinion, bbedit is one of the finest pieces of software ever made, right up there with Alien vs Preditor, or Quake III.

/* Sure, go ahead and code in your fancy IDE. Just remember: it's all fun and games until someone puts an $i out */

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