Topic: Re-education of BlackSoulSunday ][

Continued from here: http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum15/HTML/000058.html

anyway. I'm not the most internet savvy amongst us..So I was unfamiliar with the DMCA, and as I knew nothing about it...I decided not to add it. But thanks for suggesting it. I'll look into and add it to my next letter. Cuase sure as eggs is eggs (now who's grammatically imprecise ), yahoo's gonna ignore this one to

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

From personal experience I've found that Yahoo!'s customer service is appaling. They expanded rapidly sucking up all sorts of services but if a technical problem happened during the switch or after it was impossible to get anyone to reply to an email (I gave up after about 6 months). So I wouldn't hold your breath on this front even if you threaten all sorts of reprecussions - I just don't believe there is anyone manning the phones. It would be an interesting wake up call to do something about this on the copyright front but waving around DMCA is pointless if its not followed up. I would imagine we could track down a new media lawyer who would love he chance to take a shot at Yahoo! - in some ways they piss me off more than BSS - he was a misfit who doesn't have to answer to anyone while Yahoo! are gigantic (bloated?) company who should be more responsible. We can do our best to police this area but without the backing of big firms then we are screwed. Anyone fancy taking this further?

With a recent deal Google have leapt past Inkotomi in the search engine stakes and are now breathing down Yahoo!'s neck. I think they've really lost their focus and could be heading for a big fall.

Here endeth the rant

Emps

Let the bastards fall! I've already written them off in my book...I'm with Emps when he says

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in some ways they piss me off more than BSS - he was a misfit who doesn't have to answer to anyone while Yahoo! are gigantic (bloated?) company who should be more responsible. We can do our best to police this area but without the backing of big firms then we are screwed.

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And that's the bottom line...

Ok, the ball is rolling...rippers beware, this thing will come together....see this thread for details... http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum1/HTML/004351.html .

And an article on Yahoo loosing the plot (at least on the search engine front):
www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4405246,00.html

and check this out:
www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002apr/gee20020405011069.htm

and this has lots of useful links (although the colour scheme seems to have friend my retinas):
http://home.earthlink.net/~twisted99us/yahoo.htm

Emps

Ok, I've been examining a couple of pics (rips) on BSSs signature page...check the ferrari out. Not the actual model, but the reflection...see what I mean? Where one would expect Delta V to be mirrored, it's something else...could it be a clue to the original designer? Unfortunately, it is very hard to read...could someone help out here? I'm at work, so don't have PS here. I'm sure with a bit of 'work' in PS maybe the name could be 'tickled' out...

This is about the best I can do. I used a Grad-Map to do it -- works and easier than I expected.

No, not michael schumacher!! I meant the reflection on the floor, not the auto. Where you would expect the Delta V to be mirrored...but it is something different...Delta V is two groups...but the reflection is three...can you see what I mean? BTW - good work on 'sharpening' the schumacher pic that was clearly 'pasted on' afterwards...and you can tell that the Delta V was put on there...and the original whatever was there before 'cut-out' (or stempled over).

LOL I'll take a closer look later.

I can't actually show it to you cuse I sodn't have a server to store my images on, bt if you invert it horizontally and vertially, invert colours and then perform an unsharp mask you can read something. it looks like U RT C...something. That's the best I could od with it, but htere aredifinatley three character groups there. Well spotted WS

Oh, and I've been coming up other meaning for BSS...Bull Shit Spinner?

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Thanks skaarjj. I'll work on it here, at home. What could those letters stand for...?

You know, it has occured to me, and I may be completely wrong so don't castrate me or anything, but when this all started I did an ARIN whois on his IP addy and it showed Exodus Communications. Seemed to me like the servers were leased or something maybe. Aw heck, I'll do it again..

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Whois user[@<whois.server>]: 209.1.224.11

[whois.arin.net]
Exodus Communications (NETBLK-ECI-4) ECI-4 209.1.0.0 - 209.1.255.255
Yahoo! Inc. (NETBLK-ECI-4-YAHOO1) ECI-4-YAHOO1 209.1.224.0 - 209.1.224.255

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Anyway, a google search for Exodus Communications turns up http://exodus.net , a big ass service provider in California. So, if you navigate through their site to the policies you'll find this page which says this:

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9. Copyright Policy

Exodus respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our customers and visitors to our Web site to do the same. At our discretion and in appropriate circumstances, Exodus may terminate or suspend service to customers who repeatedly infringe upon the copyright, or other intellectual property rights, of others.

If you believe that Exodus or one of its customers has copied your work in a way that constitutes copyright infringement or other violation of your intellectual property, please send written notice to copyright@exodus.net or Exodus Communications, Inc., Attention: Legal Department - Copyright, 2831 Mission College Blvd., Santa Clara, California 95054.

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So, my question to you would be, could we be e-mailing the wrong people? Or am I just confused as usual?

there goes my email to yahoo off to exodus

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Thanks for the info cyoung...and no castrating here.

aaaauuuuuuwwwww!!!!! That takes all the fun out of it.

No reply from Exodus yet....

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

pssst! Skaarjj! castrating is reserved for only MSs....or so I heard...

*whispers to WS* So we get to castrate them? Fun! I thought though...for SPECIAL cases like BSS, we could string them up by the balls from high tension power lines....how's that sound?

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Skaarjj:

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we could string them up by the balls from high tension power lines....how's that sound?

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Like this:

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owwwwwwww ooucccccccccchhhhhhh nnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooo aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggghhhhh
ETC.

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Sorry couldn't resist.

Emps

ROTFL!!! *wipes tears from eyes* Emps, I don't want to know how you know that...

All I meant was that cyoung wasn't going to be castrated for posting...

As for BSS...I have very little sympathy for the boy. Best done to him with a butterknife...it's much, much duller...and takes much, much longer...

Um, can we please change the subject?

*squirms in his seat*

ok....what od we wish to do with them after that...sautee them in a little butter and feed them to him?

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

I think we already did...apparently, it didn't 'taste' all that good...

Any word from his provider?

nope...they're as silent as yahoo....and it appears as arrogant...although I may be wrong. I think I may try again.

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Maybe the actual copyright holder of the stolen artwork needs to be the one contacting these companies? Could be they won't take 3rd parties seriously. Maybe they need to hear, "I own the copyright to this image and if YOU don't take it down..." Maybe this has been discussed already and I missed it. Quit looking at my balls!

Since when has cyoung balls?

*sigh* this provider thing...is a pain in the ***! Maybe I'll think about taking them to court...according to the law, it is their duty to regulate such things...maybe they need a good spanking, too.

*slaps WS*

They have paper cuts... so why not 'paper amputation'? I mean, you'd go through several reams of paper as each sheet became... soggy... but with enough patience, I think it'd work. Hardest part would be going through (or around) bone... unless you restrict yourself to soft tissues...



Odd behavior; even temperament...

You could always try just cutting the skin...then just peeling it off, along with the sub-dermal fat layer

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Hmmm...Hey, I know! Let's try it out on cyoung! C'mere cyoung. Hold his legs! Darn it, he's slippery as an eel. Get the paper ready...

*Takes peacepipe hostage.*
You get any closer indian man and I'll put it where the sun don't shine!

..put that in your pipe and smoke it...

*pulls out tomahawk* Now, you really don't want to hold onto that peacepipe any longer, do you? *points tomahawk at cyoungs groins*...

'Toke up, everybody!' *toke, toke* Aaah, better...

And now let's get back on subject...

I think cyoung is right about the actual copyright holder doing the contacting. I think it would be a lot more effective, especially considering that we can't really do anything on someone else's behalf unless they authorize us to do so, right?

and even...in some cases...we can't do anything, like a vigilante group, which ifwe aren't VERY careful with what we do, some people are going to view us as.


Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Yup. Skaarjj has a good point. That's why I decided to go ahead with ripperreport. One shouldn't think in terms of 'punishment' or vengence, but rather from the viewpoint of informing. I find nothing wrong with informing as long as
a) it's keep strickly factual
b) it's keep impartial (i.e. not personal...don't want vendettas, etc).

Providing information like that would be a great help IMHO. Had I of had something like that during the BSS situation, it would have made the whole thing a lot easier...

As for legal matters...ya, I think cyoung has a point there. Guess I'll just let the lawsuit thingie fall.

What a reject.

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Another character that needs to be hammered while his parents are having sex at his side... Randall of www.durandall.org . According to my friends this guy " RANDALL" has been ripping ideas even graphics before ripper hunter flooded his shoutbox w/ hate and manipulations. Finally he gave up the graphics/ ideas and RE-DID the site. Now he's pretending that nothing happened and he even accused me of leaving hate words on his shoutbox. That is one pathetic loser that needs a moronic girlfriend to pamper his act.

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I was wondering. Heh. What do you suppose would happen if 2,112 random.. uh.. surfers.. all hit that heavy-ass main page simultaneously? OK, I need sleep, but the thought is amusing to me right now. Bandwidth charges? Server go sizzle? Lotsa 404's? What does happen with a huge, unexpected traffic spike like that? Maybe we could start a pool for the bss superbowl halftime show.

Ha! BSS would probably wet his pants...interesting idea tho....yeah, driving up traffic in huge numbers might go over his bandwidth resulting in higher costs...hmmmm...have you got a 'robot' program that can do that? If so, drop me a mail....I've got a flatrate with DSL....so I can stay online for as long as I want without paying more....

WS: I'd be a little concerned that doing something like that might be venturing into some urmmm... grey areas. The next step is a DoS attack. He'd be able to find your IP and I know I'd report you to your ISP. You'd also be boosting his visitor numbers which for some reason seems to give him great pleasure.

That said I can't see anything too wrong with setting up Opera to automatically refresh the page at a very short interval

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

*ahem* please discuss this over email..just for the doc's indemnity and plausible denyability

Koan 63:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Good point.

Does this mean no superbowl commercials? I love superbowl commercials and I want a piece of one. Damn.

Well, did some checking on BSS...still there, with them 'graphics'...hmmm...hafta look a bit more...and I sent some mails to some new affiliates...fun, fun, fun....

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 05-30-2002).]

WS - Are all Cherokees as dedicated as you? Whew, remind me not to get on your bad side, if there is one. So stolen materials still remain huh? Sounds like we need to step it up a bit and unlesh 'Operation: Send the Washington kids to all the forums he frequents'. That should keep him busy.

-Jestah
Cell 277

ROTFLMAO!!! That's a great idea...and I happen to know of one forum that BSS visits...got it from a shoutbox that he was 'visiting' hehe...maybe I'll drop counterfeitbacon a mail and see if he can get his 'school comrads' to do that...

As to whether or not all Cherokee are like me...don't know...but as we are one of the most successful tribes in the US, maybe there is something to that...

It also seems that BSS is looking for new affiliates 'overseas'...in Germany, to be exact. Good thing he can't speak German....hehe, I'm really having fun with that...looks like his name is 'dirt' on all english sites...he must be getting desperate...just look at the comments he's made on his site towards previaous affiliates...ain't the guy just wonderful? What a loser...

Heh, this (and others...affiliates...hehe) just in

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Got it. I don't have him linked and I checked his links I am not linked there either I don't think.
Yeah I added a new guestbook entry and he said there wasn't anything ripped on his site, he also mentioned you guys.
Thanks again for the heads up.

Thanks and have a great day!
Tony
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From: "Hamilton, Michael"
To: "'Tony in Atlanta'"
Subject: RE: Delta V (blacksoulsunday) is a ripper...
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:07:47 +0200

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Oh, what a day...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 05-31-2002).]

Ok, just thought I'd 'pop in' to see what John has been up to lately...and what do I see? I think maybe he has been up to his old, evil ways again...so I wrote a mail to Ryan at Liquisoft. I'll wait for an answer from him before taking any other action...

Once a ripper, always a ripper...so it seems....

*starts to sharpen the ol' tomahawk*

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 10-02-2002).]

Update :

Yup. Just got mailed back from Ryan at Liquisoft. He has mailed BBSs provider. I just knew John would 'slip' into his bad ways again...

He's a ripper...

This time, we go direct to the source. I hope that Ryan gets a 'satisfactory' reaction from his provider...and his site gets closed down. As far as I know, John doesn't know that we caught him again. No-one has mailed him on this...and I like it that way, in this case. He has been warned enough.

Go get'em, Ryan!

I'll keep you updated, as this thing progresses...

Nicely done

Wow, isn't this a blast from the past...

Can't say I'm all that surprised, though. There are those who, once caught, will mend their ways and go straight. These are usually the ones that had a conscience in the first place. BSS just never struck me as that type.