Topic awaiting preservation: Silent Souls (Page 2 of 2)

Uhhh...Bugs? I think a whole heck of a lot of Buddhists are going to disagree with you there....not to mention the zen-buddhists, tao believers, shinto, and my people, as well.

Tying inner-peace to a specific belief, or ideal, is simply not correct. A bit of meditation works, as well...

WebShaman, I totally understand and do not expect many people to agree with what I said. The peace that Christ brings to a person is described as one that passes all understanding. I am just being honest about what I believe to be true. Keep in mind that if Christianity is correct, it is the *only* way. Conversely, if my Hindu bretheren are correct it is just one of multitudes.

Bugimus - I mean be more involved in peace, like support local animal shelters, and support places that do not kill trees, and want to use hemp for paper, and stuff like this, just little things. If people would stop buying paper, just for like one week, perhaps the paper makers would start using hemp. The problem with this is that the people who use up all the paper are businesses, and they won't change.

Also, I know the world won't end in twenty years because there are fish that live at the deep depths of the ocean, and as long as they are alive, that means there will never be a total end, unless of course we send something into the sun. But I prefer to not even think about this.

And yes, I totally agree that peace can be achieved by finding God/Great Spirit/Mother Earth/whatever inside of yourself. But like 0\/erLo4D, I also think there are other ways, like God is in everything, so therefor God can be found just by sitting and staring at a flower and meditating on it.

0\/erLo4D - Yes, money and power are the true destructors of peace, I totally agree.

Bugimus - Perhaps what the bible means is that if you believe in Christianity, then it is the only way to God, but if you do not practice it, or have never heard of it, how can it be the only way?

Suho1004 - thanks.



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Bugimus - As far as the new organization thing, I just feel that all other organizations to create world peace have some sort of pre-requisite or requirements, like you have to be Christian, you have to be pro-life, you have to be this, you have to be that. I want to make one that the only common bond you need to have to be apart of it is to be a human who wants to protect the earth from any more wars. Protect the mountains from bombs being slammed into them, protect the environment from pollutions, and I feel the only way for this to happen is for us all to join as one society and forget all other barriers. If you want, you can sign in to my community and read the document I have there, which is an intro to the group, or you can wait a couple of weeks until I am done with my website, that way you won't have to join any community. But here is the site again, anyway.
http://communities.msn.com/teamEarth

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'edit post'...the last of the three icons...*sadly shakes head*...

Webshaman - I don't know what you mean? What are you refering to?

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*sigh* It's now the 'third icon' and it's called 'edit post'...is that plain enough?

If not, I'll spell it out...edit post...a button so that you can edit one of your own posts...so that you don't have to post again...esp. not one after the other. This forum is Docs forum...so it would be nice if you respected that, and remember that he is footing the bills...so we try to hold multi posting to a minimum...out of courtesy to the Doc...did that come through loud and clear?

We now return to the regularly scheduled program....

Gilbert,

I totally agree with you that people should be more proactive in working towards peace in the world.

The Bible does indeed say that Christ is the *only* way to salvation. You ask how can that be the only way when there are those who don't accept it or are unaware? Well, it is not a pleasant answer, but it is really quite simple. It is entirely possible that Christ is the only way to achieve eternal life... period. The fact that some have never heard about Him or the fact that so many don't believe this to be true doesn't change the possibility of it being reality.

Let me try to use an analogy. Let's say a new disease begins to infect all of the humans on the planet. Let's say that a group of scientists find a cure for the disease and it requires an injection. Let's say that you were one of the people who received an injection and have been cured and now you want to get that cure to as many of your fellow humans as possible. Well, your friends will die of the disease regardless of their knowledge of it or whether they even believe they have a disease, yes? The *only* way they can possibly be cured is if you get that injection to them in time.

About your community, I would prefer to wait for your web page in order to read your document. I don't want to join the community just to read it. Or you can email it to me, that would be cool. I just don't see how creating another organization that requires another pre-requisite is really going to solve anything. There are lots of organizations that already stand for the things you mentioned so why do you want to add another which will only serve to make the choices even that much more confusing to people? But I'm not trying to stop you or put down your efforts to do good, I'm just asking the questions that honestly came up in my mind when I thought about this.

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Ok Bugs, picking up on your analogy...and in the other parts of the world, the scientists, unaware that a cure has been found, seek to develope their own cure...and succeed! However, it is different than the other cure...so which cure is 'better'?

Does it matter? As long as the disease is cured, who cares? However, what are the side-effects of the 'cures'? Now we start talking about semantics...

In this case, religion is the disease...who's got the cure?

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Bugimus - the only pre-requisite for my group will be that you are a human. Nothing else, so I thank you for your input, but I'm not sure what you mean by my pre-requisites. There aren't any. Also, the reason I am starting this group is because I do not believe that there should be any common goal or common belief within a group totally for world peace, or else it will eliminate a part of the population from ever wanting to join. For example, a Christian group would not attract atheist, a Muslim group would not attract Christians, a pro-life group would not attract pro-choice peole, etc. The only common goal my group will have is the preservation of the earth and all of its creatures, despite their personal beliefs. And to tell you the truth, I'm not sure why I want to do this, I guess I just got sick of sitting around watching TV all the time, or sitting around reading all the time, and all that other stuff.

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Webshaman - thanks for trying to make me feel stupid.

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What pre-requisites? This one that you repeated in your last post, "The only common goal my group will have is the preservation of the earth and all of its creatures". What will you do with humans who don't agree with that goal? Exclude them? Chastise them? Ignore them?

Gilbert, if you don't want WS to make you feel stupid then I think you should at least edit one of your posts just to show that you can. I think that is what is annoying WS just a bit.

WebShaman, I gave the analogy in order to explain how I believe it works. If you change my analogy then you can make it fit your view of things. Then I can change it back, then you can change it... I just wanted to make sure Gilbert understood very clearly what Christianity claims and does not claim to be true. Whether one should accept it is another conversation altogether.

Bugimus - I see, I never thought about this. Well, I guess I can only hope that the people who do not understand the importance of preserving nature need to be taught about science and the environment and how we are apart of it, not seperate. We are not the rulers, but the protectors of nature. We tend to have all these cars, and factories, and stuff for our own benefit, yet we forget that the only thing that really needs our help is nature. And if we preserve nature, we will preserve ourselves because we are nature, nature with the capacity to kill nature for no reason. And I guess people need to go to this site if they do not understand the importance of nature. http://www.ciesin.org/sub_guide.html

Webshamn - please see Jesus vs. Lucifer, about half way down....

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I sure am glad I found this awesome place. You guys rule...


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[This message has been edited by Gilbert Nolander (edited 06-01-2002).]

Gilbert: Congratulations, you've edited a post! Now maybe that pesky WebShaman will leave us alone... get your hand off the lever, WS...

*bolts back to his cell*

Kudos...no probs...

@suho...awww...and I was just getting into the 'lever' thing...you spoil all the fun...

Now let's get back to the main topic...or not, whatever butters your bread...

@Bugs...yeah, I knew it was an analogy...and so was mine. The major part of Christianity that really disturbs me is exactly that...that 'they' think they have the only answer...and that all others are wrong. It sticks in my throat. Personally, if there is a God, I don't think He would work like that...but I guess we will all find out....someday.

Webshaman - I totaly agree. I mean, I think the general ideas of Christianity, like all other religions, is based on good principles, but some of the anger that goes along with it I feel is not to good for society as a whole. I mean there is a quote in their somewhere where Jesus says something about if you feel your right eye has sinned, take it out. I know this applies to the times, or is perhaps an analogy, but some people may not understand this, and I feel that Christianity has sort of been stagnent since Jesus came along, whereas other religions, like Native American beliefs, are always adopting to the changing world, and they are based more in peacefulness and co-existence with everything. I mean, not many people are such gentle teachers as you Bug. You have to admit a lot of Christians take things way overboard, and this can cause quite a lot of hatred towards other groups. And that causes other groups to hate Christians even more. It seems like a sort of backfire effect. The more people you try and change, the more angry people you end up with. I believe that all religions are correct, I don't know what you were raised in, but imagine being raised a Muslim, and then having someone telling you that your God is fake, and that the true God is in the bible only. That all other deptions of God are false. I'm not sure, but I think there were other religious books out before the bible. So, therfore, i guess my question is, what makes Chritianity so much better? Convince me....

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I'm not going to get into the religious argument here, but I find this interesting:

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I feel that Christianity has sort of been stagnent since Jesus came along

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Heh. So, um, I guess Christianity was pretty rockin' before Jesus came along, eh?