Topic awaiting preservation: Peanut Gallery for "Does God Exist?" II (Page 2 of 3)

Well, I can see where one man's "proof" is another man's "bad burrito", but what about within the individual him/her/itself? Does a search (or a desire to search) for proof of God's existance belie one's claim of faith in said existance?

(Edit: Bad fingers! Bad, naughty fingers!)

[This message has been edited by Wangenstein (edited 06-27-2002).]

Is it possible to quit? *sadly shakes head*

And it all started out so well...

*sigh*

Well, bring on the questions!

questions eh? why arent u in the ps pong forum

Well...To tell you the truth InSiDeR, your responce didn't seem well thought out, and I have NO idea why it took you that long to put it together.


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wanders in from the god debate thinking WTf ???

Passes some pipe filler to WS, damn dude ya need it more than me, INSIDER to be honest that was the biggest load of crap i have ever seen in my life, every other person took some real time out to work on their end of the argument, take out the swearing from yours and you are reduced to a few completely waste of time points. Jeez i guess we should have known better by some of ya antics elsewhere in the assylum to expect this crap. WS you have my symapthy along with everyone else who has taken the time out to make this a great debate.

insider that was one very sorry assed lame attempt on your part..

ehem, sorry if it sucks, i lost all my search and info twice due to lack of key pressure, in any case i put out the points i thought were important to me and ill make up for it next post

edit: i knew this would happen, i fucking knew it

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 06-27-2002).]

Insider ya mean ya didnt save anything, i find that hard to believe, how about taking time out to do it a third time with an apology for the delay, as it is you have made yaself look incompetent and lazy, key pressure? you wont get another post now as its question time....and i for one surely wouldnt ask you a question based on ya arguments as there isnt anything there worth questioning..Just be lucky ya partner gave enough of a damn to fight the opposition with his points of view.

And my dog ate my homework...I had to re-type it up, as well...

In fact, I lost the entire 'first' post as well, because they were 'cleaning house' here at work, and my work file got deleted (the bastards!)

But one can see, I just started anew...

Man, I'm not in a state to talk about this at the moment...let's just say I am terribly disappointed...

Ok, bring on the questions, please...let's move on...I'm going to go soak my head to cool it off...*breathe, WebShaman, breathe...*

And one more thing...I have answered your question as to why I'm not in the PSpong forum, repeatedly...I AM AT WORK AND I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PAINT PROGRAM! not to mention an ftp program....

I will get to the match when I find the time at home to do it...this I have also repeatedly said...I work a lot, these days...and when I get home, I like to spend a bit of time with my girl, ok? She works as well, and we don't get to see much of one another. The weekend...when I don't have my daughter, then I work...yes, that's right, I work the weekends through when I don't have my daughter (every two weeks...)...and when I get a rare time of not working (and I'm not spending it with my girl or my daughter), then I normally use this little, precious time bubble to chill out, and recover from the stress.

So, once again, yes, I will continue the match...I have also said this repeatedly...when I have the time...be patient.

Next question, please...

Questions? Like is that it?

InSiDeR: If you lost the information (once is a mistake twice is stupidity) then you should just have said so and we'd have been happy to wait while you dragged your ideas together. Following on from someone like Bugs is a great opportunity - he presented tonnes of great material to get your teeth into. It seems such an anticlimatic waste esp. after everyone else put such time and effort in to get things right.

~wanders off shaking head~

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FAQs: Emperor

Ok, I'm going to ask for a ruling here from BeeKay...would it be possible for InSiDeR to erase that...stuff...and really research this out?

If so, InSiDeR, this would be your chance to correct your...ummm...stuff...into a class rebuttal. Would CFB and Bugs be ok with that?

And are you, InSiDeR willing to do this?

I think that is a great idea if the main participants are cool with that.

InSiDeR: I you do get to redo your posting then drop me a line and I can give you a few pointers to interesting lines of attack

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FAQs: Emperor

Since Insider screwed the pooch, I would like to address with Bugimus his ideas on concience. Could not empathy explain concience?

As an intelligent creature, I learned long ago that other people have the same feelings that I do. Therefore my actions are often based on a desire to not cause other people emotional pain.

So the examples you give where people feel badly for letting other people down doesn't necessarily stem from anything supernatural, just the realization that they would feel badly had someone done something similar to them.

You can choose to attribute this self-awareness to a deity if you wish, but it certainly doesn't prove that deity's existance. It only proves your desire to believe in said deity.

notes:

from debate guidelines--'Participants need to take their time and provide well-thought-out arguments. Be prepared to back up any statements of fact you make. This is not meant to be a place to spout off thoughts from the top of your head.'

for WS-- 'NEVER contradict your own team mate. If he/she fumbles and fouls up the case direction, don't say "Oh, well, my second speaker made a mistake, but i shall correct it" . Pretend that he actually made sense, but the opponents couldn't grasp it due to their lower intellects (it always works) , eg " My second speaker , inherent in his speech , outlined our case successfully, but the opponents failed to grasp his meaning due to their (insert random insult here). " Remember, YOUR team is always right. '
YEA, RIGHT.

from an article on formal debate--'Heckling is acceptable if it is short, to the point and preferably witty.'

*throws peanuts




[This message has been edited by outcydr (edited 06-27-2002).]

Would have loved to...and that is the normal 'proceedures'...it's just that in a case like this, there is no other way but to acknowledge defeat gracefully...or to allow my 'partner' a chance to rectify his error...

You see, the participants in this debate have at least a minimum IQ of a Human...and therefore, wouldn't have been tricked by such tactics...especially if one considers the content (or lack thereof).

Well, if you read the first statement of the post, you'll notice that I said I lost all my information twice.

Thanks WS for not wanting to scalp me. As for editing the post, sound great only I think we should hear from Beekay first.

Ugh, wait a second... ugh. This is a very awkward situation. I would love to just declare victory but my conscience tells me something else would be more appropriate.

InSiDeR, you have the ability to do a much better job than this. Because I know that to be true and because I am interested in preventing this debate from being derailed by such a slothful response, I'm OK with the solution already mentioned.

If BeeKay decides to erase it and give you some more time to craft a real response, then let's do that.

If BeeKay decides to just deal with it as is and move on to questions from the Peanut Gallery, that's fine too. He organized this and I think he should make the call.

St. Seneca, I would love to take that on but I've got to wait to see how we're proceeding first.

oooo... Ouch. And I really did look for something good to say about it InSiDer... I really did. There were a couple of different ways you could have taken that, and made it into a real rebuttal, but it just didn't happen man. Just didn't happen.

If BeeKay allows, take all the time you want and please please please post back something logically and soundly researched and written. Pretend it's school and you're being graded on it, whatever works for ya.

However, if you're not interested in posting something worthwhile, perhaps there's someone else who wants to argue in your place?

[This message has been edited by bodhi23 (edited 06-27-2002).]

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InSiDeR, you have the ability to do a much better job than this.

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Bug, are you a teacher? That has 'teacher-talk' written all over it...

I'd be okay with letting InSiDeR redo his responce, but I have to give him two pieces of advice first:

It didn't look like you did research, do that next time, and:

*File>Save orFile>Save As
*Ctrl+S

Okay, maybe you can take that advice to heart next time, espesially the first one.

Actually, If you wan't an actuall, personal responce, then I would say that he shouldn't be able to since we were each supposed to take out time, learn how to use Word, and make a thought out responce. But, if you are talking about the well being of everybody here, especially Bugs, WS and myself who took the time to make thought out responces, then I would say by all means let him redo his reponce.

[This message has been edited by counterfeitbacon (edited 06-27-2002).]

Wangenstein, I was simply stating a fact.

Actually, InSiDeR, ignore my last post on how to save your files because I said it wrong! The actual was to save your files is:

1. Write your whole responce, don't save, because you don't know how.
2. Press Alt+F4
3. Press the Right Arrow Key
4. Press Enter



That should do it!

Bugs - Okay, it just really sounded like something one of my elementary teachers would've said.

Hey CFB, the last thing I need right now is a smart ass telling me how to save my files .

That said, I have a life and many many things are going on in it right now, I am going to go to florida tommorow at 10:00 A.M. I will sill have contact with the asylum and the debate but my point is my posts won't be daily.


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Jeez, step away to address some other stuff and all hell breaks loose here.

Insider, answer one simple question: Do you wish to try again? If yes, then you now have approximately one week (give or take a day or two just because real life can interfere) to post your new response. After one failure, I feel I have the authority to impose time limits on any new posting attempts. If you prefer to bow out, then please say so and we will move on. If Insider bows out, I then respectfully ask that everyone please refrain from beating him up for it. I would rather not read an argument from someone who feels pressured into something while not really wanting to do it.

If Insider bows out, then I would like to have anyone who is interested please step forward to take his place. I wish to maintain teams of two.

Insider ... ball is in your court. Please answer my question ASAP so we can move forward. Thank you.

Cell Number: 494

I might not be able to answer any questions now because of your sad-assedness. I leave in a week on a 1500 mile bike trip from Vancouver, WA to Los Angelos, CA. Damn.

No chance in hell I am gonna bow out. I'm gonna make a kick ass response to suffice for the shit I posted yesterday.


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Yes!!!

[edit] Umm... but don't make it too good because CFB and I still want to win this thing [/edit]

[This message has been edited by Bugimus (edited 06-28-2002).]

Ya...You said it Bugs!

I have a question on the big bang. I was just thinking that perhaps it could be looked at like a sun. After a certain time, a sun explodes. Maybe our universe is just the expanding explosion of a monstrous sun? Has anyone thought about that?

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Jeez! Take a nap and the whole world moves on without you! Haven't been around for a day or so (I think that's all it was), so I missed the big brouhaha with InSiDeR's response (not to mention InSiDeR's response itself, which is now gone). Anyway...

Bodhi:

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I think, on the whole, we are saying more or less the same thing, but we're saying it differently.

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Yep, I think that about sums it up. Don't worry; I was not for one moment insulted by any of your posts. They have all been intelligent and well thought out, and it is always refreshing to have an intelligent conversation.

I guess that my position makes me extra-sensitive to things like ethnocentricity, and sometimes all it takes is a little hint to set off the alarms in my head. I've got to admit that anti-Korean sentiment (from the World Cup) has also put me on edge. I know it's a small minority, but sometimes that's all it takes. Anyway, that's another subject entirely. Since I don't think we disagree on the subject at hand, I'll let it stand as is. And if I sometimes don't show up for a while, don't feel that I'm ignoring you--I haven't been able to drop by as often as I would like lately.

OK, now somebody pass the peanuts. I'm hungry (and I need the shells to throw at InSiDeR ).

Ok, I just have one thing to add - Thanks to the overly fairness from my opponents. Now let's get on with the debate...

And InSiDeR...do a good job, ok? I'm not asking for a brilliant, oh-maw-god reply, but a well supported rebuttal. Google is your friend...trust me on this. Be aware you will have a hard time taking on Bugs points, because a lot of it is in the Philosophy area...and a lot of the thinking is experienced based...and you don't have as much of that...

That said, think about what you want to say...make a list. Go through your list, and support each point. Then go through Bugs' list, and take down each point. Research them. Find evidence/rebuttals to the contrary. Follow them up.

Then edit the final reply down to the essentials (to cut down on the post length). Make decissions on the hard questions (what stays, what goes). Provide links if the subject is too long to post. If you do this, no-one will be dissappointed. It's not if we win, but if we can put in doubt the issue. At this point, I don't think it is possible to win...but it is possible to steal away an outright victory...

All right, all right, WS!!! We get your point!!

Cell Number: 494

Sorry BeeKay, and apologies to anyone else...it's just that you got this thing off the ground...(a small wonder in and of itself) and it really got my goat to see the first debate go in such a direction...

I would really like to see the Formal Debate become a 'regular' thing here...and therefore, I am giving it all the support that I can...

I think InSiDer has been sufficiently chastized. We shall now wait patiently for the revision of his rebuttal. One week, right? So is that by next Friday (7/5)? Hmm... I'll be in Boston, but I'll see if I can take a gander to see what shows up. (did you guys see that southern person slip in? Geez, I can't believe I typed that!)

Suho - I'm glad we agree on all that. I figured that you were busy in personal life and hadn't had a chance to get back to us here... No worries.
And I am all for an intelligent conversation whenever there's one available! This forum's full of 'em, if you can track them down in between all the joshin' going on...
I jes' love speculation and philosophy...

WS, BeeKay and all, the Debate Forum is a cool idea and I think that regardless of the rough weather this one is experiencing right now, should be kept around. We'll just have to make it known that we won't accept sub-par responses. Anyone involved in the debate should be gung-ho to make it as intelligent as possible. Laziness should simply not be accepted. Any and all participants are made aware of that at the beginning. Excepting that last bit, this debate in particular has sparked off two whole threads of interest... The success of the project cannot be based on what just happened.
WS - take a deep breath, hold it, count to 5, release slowly through the nose.... You will be ok man.

[This message has been edited by bodhi23 (edited 06-28-2002).]

Well, I'd love to mail you on this, bohdi, but you don't seem to have a mail address...

So I'll skip it. Too bad...

WS - BeeKay was merely joking about your four identical posts in a row =)

WS - You wanna kill three of those posts? Want one of us to do it? leave them?

Koan 63, written on the wall of cell number 250:
Those who Believe
Can
Those who Try
Do
Those who Love
Live

Yeah, skaarjj, as a Psychotic, I can't kill them...dang it!

Still kinda freaked on how that happened...might have something to do with the crazy pop-ups I get sometimes when posting...anybody else notice that?

So yeah, kill them...didn't mean to post 4 times in a row...

Once again, my apologies...

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 06-28-2002).]

They're killed.

Don't worry about it at all - it happens to *everyone*. Though, four is a record as far as I know =)

Sometimes people double-click. Sometimes they click submit, click "stop", and then make a small change and click submit again. But don't worry about it, really, it makes no difference to anyone.

By the way, the Asylum doesn't have popups. If you're getting popup ads, then it's either from another site, or you have adware hiding on your machine.