Topic awaiting preservation: Peanut Gallery for "Does God Exist?" II (Page 3 of 3)

Hmmm...and this computer is at work...and I haven't downloaded anything...wierd...could be a virus? We have a firewall. And virus protection. How the hell did this thing get on this computer?

It happened just again...and I copied the quell code of the damn popup...very interesting...

WS: Its often a sign that something is amiss - if you have no pop unders around then have a look to see what is currently running and close some of them down. Try running adaware too.

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FAQs: Emperor

WS -
There's a mail link on the web place holder on my site link, but I'll just change it so you guys can see it... There's no spam here, right?

Spam? Here? Um no... of course not... muhahahahahahaha!!!

Not that it really matters. I got signed onto a couple of dubious design networks who appear to have spread my address to some crazy spammers... *sigh* what to do, what to do...

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I can't tell you how stupid I feel right now. But I am in florida and I will have plenty of time to make the response again, however, July 3rd I will be going to a condominium for a week and may not get to reply for, well a while. But I am in this debate all the way.


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All this about InSiDer has sort of derailed the discussion that was going on in here.

Gilbert brought up a good point about the Big Bang... associating it with a Super Nova...
But the Big Bang was supposed to have started the Universe, and thus, also the stars. So is that really a plausible explanation? I'm going back to read over WS's post again... (the 3rd or 4th time, I forget which) to see if he's got a reference that covers that question...

*later... I found it... The Big Bang could indeed have been a Super Nova, but the Universe would have had to previously exist, and in that case, the Big Bang wouldn't have been the beginning of it... See this quote and link from WS:

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So...the Big Bang issue is mute...but here some more evidence....
http://www.angelfire.com/az/BIGBANGisWRONG/

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Well, I can see where one man's "proof" is another man's "bad burrito", but what about within the individual him/her/itself? Does a search (or a desire to search) for proof of God's existance belie one's claim of faith in said existance?

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I guess it would depend on how you reconciled whatever proof you came up with. I'm of the opinion that the search for proof wouldn't necessarily make your faith irrelevant, but if you found concrete proof of non-existence, well, then, that makes it kind of hard to believe in something that you KNOW (per se) doesn't exist.
I'd really like to see the participants answer that one!

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Zechariah 12:10 says, "They will look on me whom they have pierced."
John 19:34 offers the fulfillment of this prophecy. It reads, "But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear."
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The time span between the books of Psalms and Zechariah to John is over 1,000 years. Now, that got to be either a GREAT hoax or true.

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CFB - the Old Testament was around for centuries before much of the New Testament was written, and it's entirely probably that the fullfillment of prophecies from the old to the new is a great big hoax. But it would be really hard to prove it conclusively...

WS - I want to offer you a personal apology. I've re-read your post several times, and each time I've gotten confused that your first reference quote by Quentin Smith was actually YOU talking. I'm sorry, I think I might have tried to put words into your mouth at some point. It's a long quote, and the length threw me... my bad!
(hmm... can anyone tell it's a slow afternoon?)

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and it's entirely probably that the fullfillment of prophecies from the old to the new is a great big hoax

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Perhaps we can debate that someday, eh? I think the case for Christ is a bit more compelling than that

Bugs: Do you agree? I mean, someone would of had to of found the scrolls, decided that it was worth their time to make a hoax out of it and go through with it. It just isn't plausible!


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Well, I would say that on the surface saying it was a hoax sounds plausible. But when you consider all the circumstances involved, that theory becomes extremely unlikely.

Bugs: What religion are you? I'm assuming you are either Christian or Catholic, but you could be Mormon etc...

I'm Christian and you?

Well, in the interest of speculation, I meant that it would be possible, if not entirely likely... There are some crazy people out there...

What about that complex hoax in the 70's regarding the remains of the evolutionary missing link? There are idiots who take the time for all that... All I meant was that we don't exactly have other proof besides those Biblical passages that the prophecies were fullfilled.

Prodistant, do be exact...

And yes, we do have proof, but Bugs could probably do a better job of telling you, partly since I forgot and he seems to be a Biblical Guru.

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I think it's time for a new thread!