Topic awaiting preservation: Guess what? I'm leaving again. (Page 1 of 2)

Make those predictions! This time... I will not return.

only one question: why?

Read Yannah's thread of 'Stop the war with Iraq' ot find out why...seems he can't handle it when people counter-argue to him.

Hey! Since when do we have a revolving door at the entrance?

He hasn't been cured yet! Master Suho, electo-shock treatment, pronto!

skaarj i did, that i s why i asked.

~So it's your birthday today? congratulations and have a nice day. So it's not? have a nice day too~

Well...as I said it really seems that Mr. Morgan here can't handle it when someone proves him wrong and proves that he's been falling arse-end first into the shit of all his arguments...he even managed to get quite childish there at the end.

Read these books before you call me names:

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I don't expect too many people here to have read any of these books. Nevertheless, please take a look despite the length.

POLITICAL/HISTORY BOOKS

? The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene
? Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
? Rogue Regimes: Terrorism & Proliferation by Raymond Tanter
? Essentials of California Government by Dr. Michael Newbrough
? Liberty and Consciousness by Dr. Michael Newbrough
? America & The World: Essentials of Foreign Policy by Dr. Michael Newbrough
? Essentials of American Politics by Spitzer, Ginsberg, Lowi & Weir

INTELLECTUAL BOOKS

? Mythology?s Last Gods by William Harwood
? Darwin?s Dangerous Idea: Evolution & Meanings of Life by Daniel Dennett
? Consciousness Explained by Daniel Dennett
? Wrinkles In Time by George Smoot
? The Demon-Haunted World: Science As A Candle In The Dark by Carl Sagan
? The Whole Shebang: A State-of-the-Universe Report by Timothy Ferris
? At Home in the Universe by Stuart Kauffman
? The Extended Phenotype by Richard Dawkins
? The Feeling of What Happens by Antonio Damasio
? The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene
? Time's Arrow & Archimedes' Point by Huw Price
? The Time Before History by Colin Tudge
? The Meme Machine by Susan Blackmore
? An Intimate History of Humanity, Theodore Zeldin
? The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes
? The Hubble Wars, Eric Chaisson
? Howard Bloom's The Lucifer Principle
? Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid by Douglas R. Hofstadter
? The Third Chimpanzee by Jared Diamond
? Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond
? The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins
? Timescale by Nigel Caulder
? Virus X by Frank Ryan
? Complexity: Life at the Edge of Chaos by Roger Lewin
? Science and Sanity by Alfred Korzybski
? Slight of Mouth by Robert Dilts
? No Logo by Naomi Klein
? Culture Jam by Kalle Lasn
? The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
? Darwin's Cathedral by David Sloan Wilson
? Media Virus by Douglas Rushkoff
? The Universe in a Nutshell by Stephen Hawking

MISCELLANEOUS LITERATURE

ESSAYS BY JOE E. DEES

? Statistical Thought In Social Sciences: A Phenomenological Basis
? The Human Dialectic of Absolute Premises: Christianity and Marxism
? Gender and Nature in Contemporary Neo-Paganism
? Zen Buddhism and Existential Phenomenology: The Dancer and the Dance
? A Game Theory Analysis of the U.S.-Iraqi Conflict

ESSAYS BY DAVID MCFADZEAN

? A Computational Laboratory For Evolutionary Trade Networks

ARTICLES

? Five Ways To Lose An Argument On Iraq by kuro5hin.org?s dachshund
? Various FAQs by the Church of Virus? Hermit

ESSAYS BY ELIEZER YUDKOWSKY

? ANY ESSAYS BY THIS MAN

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Since you're leaving, I thought I'd find a nice site for you to migrate to:
http://www.iamalwaysright.com/

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Money is the game other people play, that I try to avoid by having just enough not to play it.
-Norman Mailer
[Dufty][Cell 698]

what still here and posting ????

Guess you cant get ya facts right still now

Oh, I can handle rational, reasonable, and logical messages. I just can't stand extremist, extreme leftist, or extreme rightists views. I'm a Conservative Libertarian and I take pride in my country and its government. I support my president not because he's my president but because I believe that no matter the cost of his actions, he is doing right, despite his motives. I support a war on Iraq and I would join the Marines and go to Iraq to the fight the war if it came to it.

I can't handle moronic posts from illiterate bastards like Skaarjj who take simple statements to the edge and beyond. In fact, my hate and discontent is on the rise. I'm not going to explain myself further until someone wisens up and gets a little courteous around here. As far as I've seen from the few of you, rudeness is a virtue of this place. I'm sorry but that's not how I work my life. The only person here who has been utterly nice to me is DocOzone. And since he's moving to San Diego with his business, he and I will probably meet up to discuss our businesses and such.

I really don't care for the negativity. If you want to hate me and call me names over little shit, fine, go ahead. I'm just too tired to research and write essays for unknowns... for people I've never met and will never meet... for people who's virtues are distorted with snobbiness and sins. I don't see the whole point in being sarcastic to everyone. When someone asks a question, answer it or don't. When someone wants an opinion, give them your opinion, but don't shoot down others because their opinion differs. If someone attacks another person's character, don't jump in. Mind your own business.

I am rarely wrong. I've apologized for the past and that was one of the few times I've been wrong. I am not wrong in this case. Skaarjj and the others are exaggerating my statements and using them against me out of context. I'm not going to put up with it. Thanks.

I know several of those books you've posted there Morgan...and for those who don't...here's the four rules that they mostly run along similar lines of (note: this is mostly...not all...some abberations do creep in from time to time)

1. Conflict: Good
2. Peace: Bad
3. Morgan: Right
4. Everyone who doesn't agree with morgan: Wrong

[please note...this is only a general, general gist...]

Oh, and Morgan: Tom didn't call you names (no one did actually, although I do recall you calling a large number of australians 'fucking idiots'.

He posted a hypothetical situation that I came up with in an MSN chat...it's a good analogy...in fact it's that one I said I wasn't going to post becuase I knew that you'd get pissed off at it.

I never called any large number of Australians "fucking idiots." If you would have read what I said, I said, "If you think it's inhumane to remove Saddam from power, you're a fucking idiot." Get it right. If you can't handle my opinions, why are you responding?



[This message has been edited by Morgan Ramsay (edited 01-31-2003).]

I've moved Yannah's thread to P&S:
www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum17/HTML/000689.html

but I'm afraid Morgan Ramsay's habit of editting out the complete contents of his posts when things don't go his way have rather whitewashed over his reasons/motivation for leaving.

Better luck next time - it appears the lesson you learned last time around wasn't quite enough (you might want to read some of your first posts here when you returned as they made sense ).

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

And my (maybe) final point for the night

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don't shoot down others because their opinion differs.

--Morgan Ramsay

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Really? Don't do it? Then why is that what you did in your second post in Yannah's War on Iraq thread. I seem to recall you telling her she doesn't know shit if that's what she thinks.

Thanks for your "lightening personality" oh wise and and holy Morgan.


Now get lost and join the marines.
Bye

~So it's your birthday today? congratulations and have a nice day. So it's not? have a nice day too~

Why are you people attacking me? LOL

I edited out the posts I felt were too subjective and wrong in nature. Where's the harm in that? No evidence for your crime logs? Awww, too sad.

[Skaarjj]
I didn't shoot it down. I aimed at it.

We are normally a very open and welcoming community...ask anyone around...it seems to be though Morgan that you have a problem with anyone who argues with you (as I have said before)...in that case why are you here? See...most people on forums tend to have a look at how things run first, and most of them see that we spend alot of time in debates over various themes and issues of the moment. I get the feeling that if you don't do something like that...why do you have a right to complain when things don't turn out the way you expect them to.

I'm done. I'm done. I don't have time to play your little games. I've spoken to Thaddeus and I will remain in contact with him. I've told him of my wishes and I do hope they are carried out. Thanks.

You shot it morgan...no beating around the bush...you do things, and then complain when someone turns around and does them to you.

[Skaarjj]
Seriously, you need to start quoting me in context.

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We are normally a very open and welcoming community...ask anyone around...it seems to be though Morgan that you have a problem with anyone who argues with you (as I have said before)...in that case why are you here? See...most people on forums tend to have a look at how things run first, and most of them see that we spend alot of time in debates over various themes and issues of the moment. I get the feeling that if you don't do something like that...why do you have a right to complain when things don't turn out the way you expect them to.

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I don't have a problem with people who debate. I have a problem with people who take my words and twist them around for their personal gain. I have a problem with you whose quest in life is to attack me to no end. There's no reason in my book for this. I have a problem with people taking my statements out of context and then using them against me as though I said something horrible.

Do you know what IFs are? Because that's what I started the statement you are attacking with.

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If you think it is inhumane to remove Saddam Hussein from power -- where he starves his citizens, where he depletes Iraqi resources, and where he commits crimes against humanity time and time again -- then you're a fucking idiot.

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Now, IF you think it is inhumane to remove Saddam Hussein from power, I challenge you ask one of the victims of Saddam's madness whether it is humane or inhumane to remove him from power. His answer? No answer because he's dead!

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I edited out the posts I felt were too subjective and wrong in nature. Where's the harm in that? No evidence for your crime logs? Awww, too sad.

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Crime logs? That sounds great - it is a real pity that I (and just about everyone else) couldn't be bothered but I quite like the idea - "The Emperor Logs", "The Emps' Files", etc. could be really good.

And lets go back in time to the last time (not actually very far) to the last time you left:
www.ozoneasylum.com/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20021009-1-005169.html

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

the original version that ramsey was pulled up on

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In all seriousness, if you think for one moment that it is inhumane to remove Saddam from power, you are a fucking idiot.

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ramseys edited version (because he started to lose

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If you think it is inhumane to remove Saddam Hussein from power -- where he starves his citizens, where he depletes Iraqi resources, and where he commits crimes against humanity time and time again -- then you're a fucking idiot.

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the only fucking idiot around here ramsay is you, if you think we havent been following the threads, you have taken ya own quote out of context,twisted it, added words to it, to make it appear that other people are out to get ya, you are acting like a spoilt brat,



[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 01-31-2003).]

Damn!

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This time... I will not return.

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Well, there's nothing quite like a poignant exit to startle the inmates.
Shame it didn't live up to the claims.

Let's rephrase shall we...

"Next time (or maybe the time after) I will not return, although I may just hang around a while to see if anyone noticed, and then I'll probably stick around a bit longer, just to draw out the argument and hope that the whole Asylum notices, and then - when I have their undivided attention, I'll mock them some more, and maybe throw in a little hypocrisy (just for the hell of it ? I mean, why break the habit of a lifetime), and after that? Well, I guess I'll probably just hand around a little longer maybe? Ah what the heck ? I?m back (again)! Miss me?"

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Money is the game other people play, that I try to avoid by having just enough not to play it.
-Norman Mailer
[Dufty][Cell 698]

So, as I have said before, which you also didn't reply to then...you advocate the slaughter of tousands simply to get one man away from a position of power? That's like sacrificing every piece on a chess board simply to get rid of a rook.

To simply remove him from power, to maybe (just maybe) kill ONLY him...that would not be inhumane. To kill thousands just to get tohim...that is inhumane.

Morgan You know like the boyi remeber from school...
When he could not win an argument he tend to go to the teachers, whining and complaining about us that we did some harm to him what we didn't.
And then when the teachers start to get angry because they did not believe this. he was laughing at the hallway.
So stop anoying us buy calling the good doctor as you personal friend.
And even when he is you should not hide behind him.
Be a fair man an don't hide behind some other.

~So it's your birthday today? congratulations and have a nice day. So it's not? have a nice day too~

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From Yannah:
* I'm against it, because i think that Bush's reasons are so inconvenient at all.
* he's just doing all this because of his father.
* most of the australians are against this...and I think that this Iraq war is just inhumane.
* and America is such a coward, see?

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If you're so high and mighty, tell me what's wrong with those statements. I'll tell you right now and give my thoughts.

* Why are you against the direction that Dubya Bush is heading? Why are his reasons inconvenient? How will a continued war with the U.S. vs. Iraq affect Australia? How will it affect your daily life?

* He's JUST doing it because of his father? I highly doubt that is the only reason why there is to be a continued US-Iraq conflict. What are those reasons? Do your own fucking research. I've done enough.

* Well, I've seen the yes/no polls from an Australian web site but unfortunately, the polls don't go as far to show you what the regular Australian's political standings are, what his views on various issues are, etc. No critical thinking was required in the poll which makes it highly discredible. We don't know what type of people took the poll. Were some of these people rapists, murderers, thiefs, priests, laborers, etc.? Who are the people that took this poll?

The core of the continued US-Iraq war is remove Mr. Saddam Hussein from power. In doing so, lives may be lost but only at the cost of a greater result: the final liberation of the Iraqi people. From the inside, I've heard plans to invade Iraq will begin around February 28th. I've also heard that the "war" everyone stresses over will be a very short war since the primary objective is to remove Saddam from power with or without military force... dead or alive. If it is inhumane to liberate unfree people, then the term inhumane is meaningless.

* America is a cowardly country, eh? Well, it would take history lessons to disprove that, and I'm sure there's others here with much more info to disprove than I.

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The core of the continued US-Iraq war is remove Mr. Saddam Hussein from power.

:Morgan Ramsey

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ahhh so we were wrong, I THOUGHT IT WAS TO DISARM IRAQ FROM WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION, funny i dont asee anyone saying lets get rid of sadam hussien, in any resolutions, just the weapons, and a mandate to use force if necessary


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[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 01-31-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

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So, as I have said before, which you also didn't reply to then...you advocate the slaughter of tousands simply to get one man away from a position of power? That's like sacrificing every piece on a chess board simply to get rid of a rook.

To simply remove him from power, to maybe (just maybe) kill ONLY him...that would not be inhumane. To kill thousands just to get tohim...that is inhumane.

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Yes, I advocate the "slaughter" of thousands to remove a brutal dictator from power. Removing Saddam from power will help to restore peace in that area and secure the lives of future Iraqi citizens. Sometimes it takes a fire to clear the fields before there can be growth. I agree though. It is inhumane to kill thousands to remove Hussein from power. It is inhumane to kill anyone. Please note that I said "remove from power" not "kill." As I understand it, the plan from the start was to remove Saddam from power by any means possible. Should there be opposing forces, they will be dealt with swiftly by American Armed Forces. The goal here is not to destroy Iraq but to eradicate a ruthless gangster playing dictator.

[InI]
I merely quoted that list from a post I made in another forum. The quote by me which you emphasize on was not intended for the audience here. You don't understand where I'm coming from. I have plenty of mature, intellectual, rational, and reasonable dicussions all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME. I think it's these colors that make me angry. I'm not sure.

A list of all the posts I've made at these forums. Disregard all the postings about trolls. That's an ongoing personal vendetta with the extremist propaganda passers.

Then there's this forum. And here. And many other places including private chatlines with reporters, etc.... hell, even Vice Admiral (VADM) LaFleur.

I'm not the idiot others would like to think of me.

[This message has been edited by Morgan Ramsay (edited 01-31-2003).]

So if it was not for the audience here, why did you use it?
Don't you know the audience for all the threads is the same?
Besides we are not your audience, we do not aplaud for you.
We are not here to watch you, we did not even come here to hear you speak or hear you sing.
We are here in debate with you And you are twisting and turning. And actually a poor debater, hiding behind others and opions from others.

You say we twist your words, maybe we do, but you are twisting your own words even further than we ever could.

~So it's your birthday today? congratulations and have a nice day. So it's not? have a nice day too~

[This message has been edited by Rinswind 2th (edited 01-31-2003).]

Show me examples, Rinswind. By the way, you're not one to talk about debate skills.



[This message has been edited by Morgan Ramsay (edited 01-31-2003).]

Look to the above....

~So it's your birthday today? congratulations and have a nice day. So it's not? have a nice day too~

Since i have more to do i have to leave now, i will however be back later.

~So it's your birthday today? congratulations and have a nice day. So it's not? have a nice day too~

OK Here is a formal challenge to Morgan Ramsay:


A Formal debate in the phillosophy Thread on the following topic:

Is the worlds position that the slaughter of thousands of people is justifyable in removing Saddam Hussien from power or merely that of an extremist few???

Rules:

1.Posts must be left in their original state at all times.
2.No temper tantrums or personal slights


We will make this a team debate so please find someone prepared to back your argument, as the title suggests it cant be a one person per team debate

edit used his old tagname by accident

[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 01-31-2003).]

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Hey, I thought you were leaving. This doesn't look like leaving.

If you're going to leave, do it.

I'm moving this to the "Other Silliness" forum since that's really what this boils down to.

[InI]
Well, I did take pro-testosterone and anti-estrogen earlier. I've noticed I'm more intolerant to human beings and my aggression is peaking. It's very interesting. I won't remember any of this when the drugs wear off. I really won't.

WTF .. can't we all just get along

Morgan .. lighten your pussy ass up .. and if you feel your so much better then other's leave it at that .. there is no reason to aggravate yourself and others just to prove your better .. this is the asylum we are all inmates taking black or pink pills and receiving shock therapy from Suho .. openly admiting you went to Thaddeus with wishes .. IMHO makes you look like a pussy

To the rest of you picking on Morgan .. just leave him .. this isn't the first time he or we have done this to him .. if he's going to leave because he is taking things alittle to personal .. I've got advice for him .. and you all should to

Morgan .. just turn off the monitor bro .. but I have something of advice .. in real life (and IMHO the Asylum has a unique group of people who are not just an alias but real people) your going to get extreme leftists and rightists .. and you walking away only proves one thing to them .. you don't believe in what your saying to them because your not willing to stand up to them .. rather you walk away and feel your not being heard .. you would get no where in life doing that type of thing .. and well .. you sure as hell wont get anywhere doing that here .. have some respect for yourself .. because right now I have none for you because your walking away .. I don't mind your view point but until you show some respect for yourself and others .. you won get any from me .. and I'm sure others would say the same thing

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