Topic awaiting preservation: Veteran fired for using "God Bless" (Page 1 of 1)

http://www.washtimes.com/national/default-20032825534.htm

Guess who they blamed for this incident, atheists. While being an atheist myself, I do not at all mind christians around me to speak of God or use "God Bless," in sentences. But I find it insulting that several comentaters blame atheists in high power for this man being fired. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that was right. However, some yahoo dumb fuck emailed Fox News and said quote

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If that man who fired Mr. Cubbage doesn't think that God Bless is American, then he can get a one-way ticket to join all those Atheists in Iraq

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That quote was not only incorrect, it was terribly hilarious. Iraq doesn't have any athiests (known that is). They'd all be executed by the fundamental Islams. I mean, I'm sure there are atheists in Iraq, but what was this idiot getting at?

God bless America...

Oh, and Insider: Do you think there was a reason why Saddam is regarded an "infidel" by most of the Arab world? Right, because he is a secular Dictator. He repeatedly burned down Mosques. And the Iraqi people are probably too busy starving to persecute anyone themselves (And are not the radical kind of muslims anyway). So while the guy that made the comment "they can go to Iraq" (reminds me of "go to russia", hello McCarthy) is nearly as stupid as people who fire someone for saying "god bless", your comment does not make you seem very well informed...

[This message has been edited by MW (edited 02-17-2003).]

He wasn't fired for saying, "God Bless" He was fired for not doing as he was told.

MW, you're new, so I'll let you off the hook.

Seneca, I know what you're saying, he was told not to but the did, that is why he was fired. But it was what he was told that was unjust for him. And I personally think it was asinine, whilst at the same time am slightly insulted after that quote.

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MW, you're new, so I'll let you off the hook.

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Phew - again you are magnanimous.

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Emps I really can't tell if you were being sarcastic or not...

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Emps I really can't tell if you were being sarcastic or not...

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Quite.

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Yea, you were being sarcastic.

And a great time was had by all

Pride is the worst thing ever. Pride is the cause of everything. War, losing your job, everything, arguments, everything, and everything else. If people could just learn to say 'I'm sorry, I was wrong,' instead of being so damn prideful all the time, this would be a much better world where people accepted that they are no more right about their individual beliefs and ideas than anyone else, and that just beause they think they are right, they are not necessarily right, but are probably wrong, then they could get off their damn prideful high-horse which would lead to a state where there would probably be peace, well at least more peace.

Ahh, super long run on sentences rule.

Cell 816 ~ teamEarth ~ Asylum Quotes

Insider insider insider....

good lord you sure take it to new levels...

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Still, Mr. Cubbage followed his supervisors´ orders and stopped saying the blessing until Oct. 31, when at the request of a deceased veteran´s relative, he offered the blessing at a graveside presentation. He was fired that day.
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Seems to me this is a serious example of P.C.-ness gone apeshit. The victim's family requested the blessing, where is the problem there?

dude, you cannot say apeshit.

Jason

Yes he can...he's a krotchmonkey...therefore, he can say it...

Monkeys and Apes are two very different things.

It's inappropriate for a monkey to belittle an Ape by the use of such a term...

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and that just beause they think they are right, they are not necessarily right, but are probably wrong

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If I thought my beliefs were wrong, wouldn't they then cease to be my beliefs?

Just a thought.

If you didn't think you were right, why would you state an opinion? Does anyone really go into an argument (or commentary for that matter) under the auspice of "Well I know I'm wrong...but let's see if I can make this fly."...?

Oh...and yeah...on the thing...about the kid...and the planes of stupidity.


And such.

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Ahh, super long run on sentences rule.

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Yup. They do a superb job of hiding the fact that there may have been a...point...somewhere in there

And I believe the acceptable term is

Simian-Feces.

So use that, or the PC freaks will go apeshit.

PC = Personal Computer?

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PC = Politically Correct.

Somehow I imagine that WS knew that...

Hooboy.

But thanks anyway, cfb...

Simian feces!

Couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic, or it was rhetorical or what...So...Anyways...

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You are the same decaying
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I always thought PC stood for Pierced Cock

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I'm appauled, really, by this "incident." I mean, America was founded on solid Christian values and beleifs, and 200 years ago, nobody would of cared if someone said "God Bless." In fact, nobody would of cared 40 years ago. Or 30 for that matter, maybe even 20. "Political Correctness," and this whole Anti-Religous atitude has, in my opinion, gotten out of hand.

What would of happened had an Arabic man had died, was buried at the ceremony, and the veteran, also Muslim, had said "May Allah bless you." Or even for that matter "God Bless." You know what I think. I think that nothing would of happened.

Sorry if I sound a little negative, but I think that the whole anti-religion thing has gotten out of hand, furthur proof:

In school, and not just mine, but any in the Evergreen School District, evolution is taught as a fact. Not a theory. A fact. Teachers are not allowed to even talk about going to church, going to "Christian" colledges (as some of mine have, against district policy), or talk about any kind of Christian values. In the religion classes, Evolution is taught as a religion, but Christianity is taught as a "theory." Arabic teachers, and indian teachers, on the other hand, have no reprucussions for talking about their religous beleifs.

On Martin Luther King Day, a black pastor was invited to the school and we had a big assembly. He talked about rascism, the Aryan nations, and a bunch of other stuff. At the end, he said something along the lines of: "Only with the power of Jesus Christ can we truly defeat rascism." Anyways, a bunch of people clapped. Athiest people, Muslim people. But, there were phonecalls to the school about how the little suseptible athiest kids couldn't stand to hear a sermon. Angry parents. Several, not lots, but more than a few, called in.

Of course, when we had the assembly on Asian Music and Culture, and the Budist and Hindu religions were talked about, I never heard one report of parents calling in.

Anyways, yah...Pretty much, I'm just appauled that this happened.

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I find it really hard sometimes to tell if people are being sarcastic, rhetorical or whatever on the internet because there is no actual person talking to you, your just reading text. In real life, I'm very sarcastic and cynical, but I find that hard to express in text, because a lot of sarcasm would just sound plain dumb in text. Does anyone else have these problems.

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No we don't.

Personally I'm all for people TALKING about their personal beliefs, just not enforcing them, or teaching them as fact...However, with that in mind, I find it rather silly that teaching evolution as fact bothers you. It's part of a scientific religion.

See, science isn't exact..as much as I'd love it to be. Atoms are not guaranteed, and to a greater degree neither are protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks...

They're theoretical, but can be judged empirically.

Judged.

The fight to have evolution removed from curriculum would be much akin to trying to remove electromagnetic theory. Now if you want creationism taught in schools as well...then that's what Religion Classes are for. Theology has a part to play in education as much as science does, but don't deem to try and mix the two because it's your version of choice.

Personally what I'd like to see taught, is tolerance, of all kinds. Funny how that idea both supports, and tears down your argument, bacon.

Something to think about...or not bother and just sit back to bitch.

~shrug~

And now, back to the overblown story and the foolish folks who bring it to you.

Ah crap...I must've said that wrong...Way wrong.

I'm all for evolution being taught in school, in fact, I'd reather learn about that than: "Heat, Chp. 3, Conductors, Insulators and Engines." (Ok, so I'm not learning much at all). If, as you said, evolution is in fact a scientific religion, then why isn't it included in the whole "seperation of church and state" crap. Why? Good question. It's because people are anti-Christian. I'm mad that the only religion included in the whole "seperate it all, be politically correct" etc is Christianity. It's not Islam, Hindu, Buddism, Animism or Voodoo. Just Christianity. That is my point: That this whole incident would of been a lot diffrent had the God refered to not been the Chrisitan God.

I'm for tolerance too, just on both parts, as you just said. If there going to pick on one, though, it just doesn't seem fair.

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cfb this

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If, as you said, evolution is in fact a scientific religion

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is not really a religion - not in the sense of what religion means, anyway. I think we tiptoed around the definition of 'fact' already...there is no way of proving a fact 100%...in that sense, one could say, there is a belief factor at work. Since belief is a part of religion (a large part, IMHO), one could draw a corollary between 'fact' and religion, based on this...

But Science and Religion are different (IMHO). And Evolution is a Scientific fact. Science excludes no person, irregardless of belief. Religion, on the other hand, does. A major difference.

WS:

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there is no way of proving a fact 100%...in that sense, one could say, there is a belief factor at work.

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That is, of course, if you ever want to be 100% sure of a fact but in science that is unwise as science relies on the fact that no matter how much we know we could always be wrong and that all theories are open to reinterpretation or they can even be discarded. This is often regarded as a weakness but is in fact the bedrock of science and without it we could never have change and improvement of theories.

There are theories (like evolution and plate tectonics) which (thanks to hypothesis testing, etc.) approach facts but I don't require 100% certainty in anything.

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Cfb, the reason that we atheist scum aren't running around yelling at those other religions to keep it to themselves, is that they already are. Why? Because the Christians are so loud and obnoxious trying to thrust their beliefs and moral codes upon everyone else that those other religions are afraid to speak up.

I don't object to the Muslims, because they don't convince my local butcher not to carry pork. I do, however, live in a dry county because the Christian majority is apparently against alchohol.

Cfb, you feel that Christianity is being attacked in this country, but that's only because the rest of us are tired of being bullied by Christianity. If Christians were more tolerant, people would be more tolerant of Christianity.

And could we get our facts straight, people? Evolution IS a FACT. It has been proven beyond a doubt time and time again. Evolution happens whether the bible tells me so or not.

Natural Selection is the THEORY that describes the mechanism of evolution. And while scientists may try to prove or disprove Natural Selection or even come up with other theories to describe the mechanism of evolution, they all operate from the FACT or evolution. If Christians want creationism to have a fighting chance, they need to alter it to accept and explain the fact that evolution has and continues to happen.

Yep.

Christianity is everywhere you go in America. It's in the courts, it's on the money, it's in our pledge, it's in our laws.

Christians have no right to bitch on the rare occasion that they actually have to shut up and be subjected to someone else's beliefs.

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I do, however, live in a dry county

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oh the humanity!

I don't live in a dry county, but thanks to obsolete christian laws here in CT, I can't buy beer on sundays.

DL, that's truly a crime.

...but don't be offended if I don't weep openly for you! Dry county and all.

In my area, the church is very loose about non-Christians. Although I don't appreciate the denominations of the church, I attend a Foursquare church.

When they have church gatherings, people drink (allthough not to the point where they are inebreated), they talk about actualy issues that apply to todays life, and NEVER try to enforce religion upon anyone. I say NEVER with absolute certainty. I mean, the church puts out flyers, buys land for extra buildings, but they never enforce religion upon anyone, in fact, they would rather not have somebody attend if they are just "playing church." The church has grown significantly in the four years that we (well...My family) has attended, from about 300 to 1,750 people on a weekend (total), and these are all people who either immigrated to this church from another, or who voluntaraly came.

I don't think that the church (and again, at least in my area), enforced there opinions upon anybody. I don't know how it is in other areas, or continents for that matter, but Christians around Portland, Salem, Dalles and Vancouver (in Oregon/Washington) are very lax and tolerance.

If anything is enforced, I would say that it is an athiest mindset, tolerance of a homosexual/lesbian lifestyle, and evolution. In school, we are repeatedly taught tolerance, evolution and athiest values. Salem, Oregon, is an extremely atheist town, and the city goverment removed for one Christmas, any Christian related symoblism/fetishes (stuff) from public view. That include Christmas trees, nativity sets, Christian Christmas music and pretty much everything. This is the first time in several years I have heard a large outcry of Christians in the two states.

(On a side note...I'd never to refer to people that are atheist as "...Atheist Scum." It's just a diffrent set of opinions)

I don't view evolution as a fact. If someone can show me (I just Googled it, and have many times before), where they have created an advanced civilization out of a rock/sludge, then be my guest.

In school, though, evolution is taught like this: "A few billion years ago, matter formed into fish, then the fish into monkeys, then the monkeys into humans. No questions need to be asked about this topic."

I just don't appreciate the way that it is taught, and one religion, not all, as "seperation of church and state would imply" is being picked on.

'You can lead a Believer to the facts, but you can't make him accept them'.

Actually, cfb, I don't know why you can't accept the fact that Evolution is a fact...does it somehow conflict with your belief? Do you believe that the Bible is to be taken literally? If so, how do you account for...Oil? Yep, that's right...that liquid, organic black stuff. Where did it come from? And how long does it take for it to 'form' under natural conditions? I think you will find (research it), that it takes much longer than 20,000 years...in fact, if you compare the amount of Oil, with the amount of plants and animals that are required to produce such quantities, you'll find, that if you try to use the Flood to account for it, that there wasn't enough room to move, with all that plant and animal matter...do the math. Just on this alone, the Bible cannot be taken literally. That said, then one can have both evolution, and God...maybe evolution is how God intended things to be? Talk with Bugs...he has great ideas in this area...

As for 'railing' against the schooling system...well, you'll find many things to get upset about...how about History? In my days, they taught that Columbus discovered America...hooboy (though Lief Erikson did, far before that...), they taught many wrong things about my people, and other indians (when they taught anything at all). How do you think I felt? Most of the History of the US that I got, was about the European invasion (not put into those terms, of course), and the Slavery thing. Funny, but my people were not mentioned at all, in regards to Slavery...what about the beliefs of my people? Nowhere to be found, in school...

Take it with a grain of salt.

I'd just like to point out that the local government who removed christmas trees from public view as an attempt to remove christian icons should be shot.

Christmas trees are no more christian than orgies and serial murder.

I actually think that evolution fits right in with the Bible, in a way, but not Evolution as it is taught in school, and not just micro-evolution. I don't take the Bible literally. I think that when (the writers of Genesis, forgot who it was) says first day, second day etc, that those "days" could of spanned millions of years, because "days" as we know them didn't come around untill (?) the Romans (?) (correct me if I'm wrong, please). It's just that I beleive that evolution was guided by God. I also think that some of the Bible Stories are embelished.

I havea problem with evolution being taught as: "well, we all came from a rock." Which is how I heard it.

[having read most of your guys posts] .. you all are funny .. lol

but Wes .. well put!


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Days...as we know them....?

Days as we know them have been around for as long as the earth has been revolving around the sun.



However , if I recall correctly, the actual hebrew word used in those passages had multiple meanings, and more or less was used to denote any given period of time with a definate beginning and end. So it should read more like "in phase 1 he created this..." etc.



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Well, a day, as I recall, has been interpreted as many diffrent things over the time when "advanced" civilizations have inhabited the earth. Many ancient people, and I don't know this for sure, had a day as the equivelant of half of our days, and stuff. God stated, or did he, I forgot (?) that a day to him is like a really long time. So, I beleive that guided evolution could be true. God says he molded us out of clay. And, while I don't take that literally, evolution, especially in recent times, seems to fit pretty well, like God "crafted" man, then "breathed the breath of life into them."

Dunno...Just my opinion.