Topic awaiting preservation: Has Bin Laden won? (Page 1 of 1)

I know it's a charged statement but I said this today kinda in jest but the more I think about it the more true it becomes. In looking at possible objectives, look at what he's accomplished.

The American Economy has been in shambles for 3 years and the impending war continues to thwart attempts at economic recovery.

Americans are now in more danger from terrorists threat then before due to an Iraqi invasion. (Do you think we'd need ready.gov if we weren't attacking Iraq?) Anyone worried about North Korea before the events of the last year?

The UN is hopelessly divided and a unilateral attack by the US could seriously weaken it's effectiveness and an international police agency.

Anti-American sentiment is at an all time high. An unstable relationship with the Mid-East has become more divided then even before.

We still haven't caught or found Bin Laden

If you were planning a terrorist attack on the US what more could you hope for?



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

Tinfoil hat firmly in place.

How do we know, we don't have bin laden. There are many advantages for not revealing his capture.


J. Stuart J.

Even if we do have him in custody, that does not change the fact that he still could of won, or at least accomplished the goals he set out to do.

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Didn't he just release a video tape very recently though?

*puts on tinfoil hat*
Who can tell if the CIA (or some other state-run terrorist organization) didn´t make the video?
*removes tinfoil hat*

On a more serious note:
We are always told (this applies to europeans as well as americans) that these terrorists hate freedom, human rights and our values.
They HAVE won. Because our governments are deliberately throwing all of these out of the window to fight terrorism.
I sometimes feel the logic is like: "If we destroy our freedoms and values ourselves, we don´t have to be afraid of terrorists who want to do this" great!

Been reading along here for the longest time now.

Has Bin Laden won ? Yes he has. He has installed fear and terror into our lives. The meaning of the word Terror according to the Oxford is - extreme fear; a person or thing causing this.

He has managed to cause a global instability and distrust, economically and idealogically. We now live with yellow and orange alerts, we have seconds thoughts and do worry before we board a plane and so on.

He has succeeded in undermining the very essence of of our lives - our Freedom.

He has shown us how vulnerable our society is and how gulliable we are at times.

I grew up at a time when the Bader Meinhof Group was at its peak in Germany, the Red Army Fraction had a field day in Italy and Mr. Gaddafi trained them all openly in his Camps. Once a week some judge or government official was killed, sometimes the whole family was blown up. It reached a point there was an army checkpoint at every intersection in the country.

You and your car were searched and by searched I mean your car was
literally taken apart, dogs, mirror down the vents and the under the car. If you had ten intersections on your way to work then you went through this ten times.
People were afraid to speak their mind in case it was misunderstood and they were labeled a sympathizer. It was a time of a daily nightmare, of distrust and fear.

We haven't reached this stage yet and I truly hope it will never come to that.

sib

Has Bin Laden won? In a word, no. Otherwise, the west would be defeated, now...which is his main goal, BTW. Also, our troops are still stationed in Saudia Arabia (another thing he wants to accomplish, the removal of US troops there). In fact, the only thing that Bin Laden has accomplished is -

- Shown that all countries are vulnerable to terrorism (but realistically, we already knew that...Oklahoma City, the first attack on the towers).

- Shown that suicide commandos are a very effective weapon, in some ways, much more 'effective' than nuclear weapons.

Some things to consider are the following - is it possible to defeat him? Now, that is a really good question...he has set something loose in the world, that may be hard to extinguish. After all, who is the next suicide weapon? Your neighbor? The thing with this weapon is, one can't see it coming very well...as Israel has found out. Very hard to combat it effectively. About the only way...complete elimination of 'possible' suicide weapons...or mass murder, in other words. Are we prepared to go that far? Because they are.

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Didn't he just release a video tape very recently though?

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Only audio recordings have been released since the attacks on his cave networks. One was released several days ago and analysts were pretty sure it contained bin Laden's voice.

Hummm. Perhpas Bin Laden is not the only one responsible for the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon?

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The software of the BOEING 757 and 767 over rides pilot error and will not let a pilot make banking turns like the PENTAGON plane which was pulling 5 Gs at its final approach or the second WTC plane that was pulling 3 Gs. This is the most fruitful area to explore for those wishing positive proof that the terror attacks were faked.

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http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0209/0930_bdquig.html

This is sort of off topic, but I figured I would put it here. I was reading this article, and thought it was kind of interesting, despite its unprovability.

Cell 816 ~ teamEarth ~ Asylum Quotes

If he hasn't accomplished the fullness of his mission, Bin Laden has effectively undermined the self-confidence of the US people and our closest allies... Most of us are all scared enough over all of it to do exactly what the government tells us to do, even if it means giving up some of our most cherished liberties...

Regardless of whether or not the Allied governments are actually "in" on the whole shebang... (which I've been most curious about since Bush got elected in the first place. It's almost blatantly obvious that was rigged... The folks in Florida aren't that stupid...)

*puts on tinfoil hat* Anyone know where I can get a good bomb shelter cheap?


Bodhi - Cell 617

[This message has been edited by bodhi23 (edited 02-21-2003).]

I think a few bomb shelters are left over from the 50's...you could probably get one real cheap...

How To Build A Bomb Shelter



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It's almost blatantly obvious that was rigged...

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If that wasn't tongue in cheek, then I think we have another thread that needs opening

No better bomb shelter than one that used to hold a bomb.

There's a few of these in Texas, too.

The American Economy has been in shambles for 3 years and the impending war continues to thwart attempts at economic recovery.

True.

Americans are now in more danger from terrorists threat then before due to an Iraqi invasion. (Do you think we'd need ready.gov if we weren't attacking Iraq?) Anyone worried about North Korea before the events of the last year?

We have been open to terrorist attack for several years now and the public by and large was unwilling to deal with that reality. They even tried to take down the WTC in '93 and we just shrugged it off and went about our normal business.

It turns out that we should have been *very* worried about the DPRK and not trusted them to abide by their pledge to lay off the nukes. So I think same goes for that, we didn't want to deal with it.

The UN is hopelessly divided and a unilateral attack by the US could seriously weaken it's effectiveness and an international police agency.

The UN is hopeless. It should be referred to as the United Governments because it does *not* stand for the well being of the world's populations and in many cases I believe it is standing in the way of any progress towards peace and freedom.

Anti-American sentiment is at an all time high. An unstable relationship with the Mid-East has become more divided then even before.

We do seem to be hated more than ever, that is how it feels from here. Have you considered the possibility this means we're doing something right for a change? I know that may sound outrageous, but I'm simply asking for consideration of a point that is rarely mentioned.

We still haven't caught or found Bin Laden

True.

If you were planning a terrorist attack on the US what more could you hope for?

For people to believe I had won.

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Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

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Anyone worried about North Korea before the events of the last year?

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*raises hand*

Um, me...