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Mbl
But what about the dead baby?
Do you not consider it had rights?
Why at even later stages of pregnancy can we consider the slaugher of an innocent who cannot speak for itself? At what point does it become a
human person. It does feel pain in the womb.

Why if we kill it inside the womb it being perfectly legal and if a baby is born early and it is killed we consider it murder, like in that case where a teenage couple killed their baby and put it in a dumpster and got caught, went to trial and had to go to prison.



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Bear with me here...as I just have a really hard time grasping something...

You keep telling me to ask away and you'll answer, but you haven't answered a *single* question I have asked you, nor responded to a single statement I have made (but you've found the time to insult me on several occasions..).

I just...don't get it.

Maybe I'll ask the dog. =)

Mobrul - it's all yours, but you've got to pick it up your self



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Wangenstein - the bigger problem is that the church as a whole (and i use the term generically for anyone considering themselves christian) doesn't understand how to share their faith and ends up just offending people 90% of the time. chances are you (again, the generic you) are not called to preach to the masses (tho a select few are imo) or even to those around you, you really can't expect people who don't believe in the same things you do to abide to the same code of conduct. if christians would simply live their lives the way they're supposed to, let people recognize something different in them (which, from personal experience, they do), then use the opportunities they get to share their faith the church could change the world...

chris


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Fig- Amen to that.

I would agree with Fig, Wangenstine and you too . Also add that to pray, hope and not worry about our neighbors salvation as much as our own. I shy away from pushy evangelist myself, but I respect them, even the door to door ones in their quest to spread their faith. My faith itself, does not push evangelization as much as they push prayer life.

Hey, wait! You can't close the bidding that quickly!

$10 and a month of free car washes? Forget that! I'll bid 20,000 won and a year's supply of kimchi!

Well said, Fig

Hmmm...I may have to revoke that decision Mobrul....what can you offer against 20,000 won and a year's supply of kimchi??

Well, I got my dreamcatcher here...and I promise to protect and nuture your spirit...what is that worth?

Well...it seems rather counterproductive to sell my soul in return for a nurtured spirit. The idea of selling one's soul is to get something much more tangible in return.

20,000 won = a bit less than $16, heh?
OK, I'll up to $20, but if you'd rather have dirty stinky cabbage than car washes I don't want you soul anyway...rotten to the core it must be.

Abortion -- This is a complicated matter best not left to my random ramblings. I'll compose something coherent and post soon, I promise. I want to give it the attention it deserves. Fair?

I would love a thread dedicated to that too I can't wait.

You'd like to see thread devoted to discussing abortion or the selling of DL's soul for rotted cabbage? =)

Here's the deal. Tomorrow (Friday, 4 April 2003) I go into surgery to have part of my knee replaced. I'll be 'out of commission' for at least the weekend and probably a couple days longer -- perfect time to compose my 'why, and in what situations, do I support the legality of abortion' post. I'll compose and, if nobody does it before I return, upon my return I'll start a new thread. We can continue the discussion from there.

Mbl

Will think of you & hope you recover ok.

Mob - Just remember to mark that knee with a big 'X', so they know which one to work on...

Excellent, mobrul... the coming thread that is. I hope your "medical procedure" goes well. How's that for a precursor?

Hmmm...why don't we start an official debate, on the Abortion issue? I think it would be a fabulous debate topic...along the lines of 'Abortion, pro or con?'

I am up for the pro side...

And we haven't had a formal debate now, for awhile...time to dust it off...

"dirty stinky cabbage"?! Aaahh! That cuts, mobrul!

And I'll have you know that there are many different kind of kimchi--not just cabbage.

Hmmm... OK, my latest offer: 30,000 won, a year's supply of kimchi, and a guest appearance in the fortune cookie.

*rubs hands together in glee*

Hey people! I know some things about angels. Before Noah's time, the angels saw the humans falling into sin. They asked God for permission to go "downstairs" and teach those "humans" about righteousness. God let the angels do that. Once the angels (Sons of God) went "downstairs" and took on human flesh (angels are spirits created by God which explains where they came from), they saw cute women walkin' around and "went in unto them" and that created the giants. Now you know where giants come from. Anyway, when the Lord looked down on the earth and saw what the angels had done, I'm sure he was furious. He decided to send a flood. God found Noah and his family and had them build an ark (the ark inspired people, a couple thousand years later, to build a boat exactly like the ark and the boat was called, you guessed it (whether you guessed or not), the boat was called the Titanic.) Anyway, during the flood, the Lord confronted those "faithful" angels, bound them, and put them, along with their chains in hell until Christ returns. Don't believe me? Get a Bible and look at Jude. I think it's verse five. In another verse, it also talks about Michael, God's angel, rebuking Satan in a dispute over Moses's body! WOW! Isn't that amazing? I would also like to recommend some material:

The book, (my favorite) is called, Paradise the Holy City and the Glory of the Throne by Elwood Scott. In the book, he talks about (I think) an angel telling him (Elwood) about his first visit to heaven. Amazing, isn't it?

Next, a video for $30.00! You have to call in order to get that great price! I hope the price hasn't changed. If you order the video online, it's $40.00 some dollars! Not bad, huh? Anyway, the video is called, Fallen Angels, Giants, and Evil Spirits. The video can be ordered, I think, from www.perrystone.org So, to close, I hope that I’ve enlightened you a bit on angels and also, I hope that you visit the website www.covenantkeepers.co.uk The site also has some info that Catholics wouldn’t like well at all. Like counting all the popes’ numbers then adding them “miraculously” comes out as 666. Stuff like that. I’m only recommending looking at the archaeological discoveries. So, see y’all soon!

"amazing" doesn't even come close to how I would describe that.

Extra-biblical writings are interesting, of that there is no doubt. They are also very telling of the culture from which they emanated but conflating them with canonized scripture is simply irresponsible... IMHO.

[edit] sorry, I had a double post mishap again [/edit]

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