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Hmmm...maybe both countries will get so upset with one another, that they wipe each other out...and my people can go back to enjoying thier 'america' again...

You know, kill'em with laughter...hehe.


WebShaman

A squabble among friends... that's all it is. No need to make it anything more than that. This won't be the first time we've had serious disagreements and it won't be the last but so far democracies do not make war on each other. I would like to think it will stay that way.

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so far democracies do not make war on each other

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Ummm...history shows this is not true...and there are many examples of this. The war of 1812, for example...or the Civil War...we don't even need to drag Ancient Greece into this.

Fact is, that any system can go to war, with any other, under the right circumstances (or wrong, as the case may be).

I personally find it appalling, what the US is doing in regards to the French, especially after seeing the press conference at the UN...the US and its 'allies' give the French the blame for the 'dropping of the second resolution'. But are the French really to blame? Though they said that they would, indeed, use the veto, the truth is, they didn't actually use it...so if this is really just a 'war' of words, then everyone is lying through their teeth, for their own, selfish reasons. I mean, Russia said that they would use the veto, and China too. Now why are they not being singled out? Because they are not considered as 'allies'? I think it has more to do with 'scapegoat' propaganda, as anything else. It's a political jig, really, because full support of both American citizens and British, are not behind this...thus, one needs a scapegoat, and France is a 'perfect' punching bag, at this time, along the lines of 'Well, we tried, but they prevented us from succeeding' sort of thing. Which is not exactly true...it never went to a vote, and rightly so...for had it gone to a vote, and failed, then the coming conflict would have had legal reprecussions according the the rules of the UN. So, one conviently 'drops' it (and thus the legal area is much more murky, now), and offers up a scapegoat as for why.

Think people will buy this? As long as the French are being targeted as the 'boo-men', yes, most of the public will. That's the nature of this sort of propaganda, and that is also what all these jokes are really supporting...after all, it's only since this all got highly centered in the media, that the french jokes were 'run out'...just like every time something like this occurs...out come the jokes, etc, about the particular scapegoat. Surprising is, that most voices are raised in anger at the French, and not raised in question as to why are the French against a war in Iraq? Well, maybe not surprising...and the Bush administration is doing all the 'spin-doctoring' that it can, to prevent serious debate about the question, actually...maybe because this really does have a lot to do with oil? Fact is, an emotionally clouded mind is easy to lead...whereas a logical, unclouded mind is not.

One cannot give someone the blame because one said something...don't actions speak louder than words? Or has that changed? The truth is, the US dropped the second resolution. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is mere conjecture.

Hopefully, this will all get ironed out, after the conflict in Iraq is over...but I suspect that there will be bad feelings over this for some time to come. At least, until the next crisis, that is.

I'd just like to point out that the USA has never been a democracy. America is a republic and has the shortcomings to prove it.


It's only after we've lost everything...
That we're free to do anything...

all I can say is WOW .. yes I respect your opinions .. but they are jokes .. one liners to draw attention .. each quote is looking for a rise .. and they surely got it .. I agree with Bugs and WS .. America is getting attacked left and right with criticism and yet we Americans let it go one ear and out the other .. yet when we tease and mock the french .. a major uproar occurs .. come on peeps .. I know this war has everyone all tensed up but let's relax .. smoke on the peacepipe and an Ozo 45


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interesting to read some comments from france this morning stating that if iraq DOES prove to have and be using chemical weapons their stance would most likely immediately change. (story on cn.com)

chris



KAIROSinteractive

I have heard this morning something funny : "There are no proof that Irak would attack USA, but there are proof that USA will atack Irak" (sorry for the translation)

OFF TOPIC: fig, didn't saddam use chemical/biological weapons in the gulf war? i was under the assumption that he had.

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Off topic with Lacuna: Wasn't there a little something called Agent Orange, or did everyone just decide that was a figment of our imagination?

Umm... let me join the off topic for a second. Agent Orange was used in VietNam not the Gulf War. And from what I've heard, Hussein did not launch chem/bio weapons in the Gulf War but we may have blown up some bunkers full of them which could account for the Gulf War Syndrome that effected so many of our troops.

Sounds to me like Levitte doesn't believe that Saddam doesn't have WMD and is worried about Saddam's past history with chemical weapons. I still can't figure out how they think unrecorded, barely monitored, time consuming destruction of a few missiles is progress. If Saddam REALLY wanted to disarm he would take everything that doesn't comply, let us catalog it, and then let the UN blow it into oblivion. It doesn't take any time what-so-ever to destroy these weapons. It certainly doesn't take 4 hours per missile.

GrythusDraconis
"I'm sick of hearing that beauty is only skin-deep. That's deep enough. Who wants an adorable pancreas?" - Unknown

ah! thanks bugs. that must have been what i was thinking of. i knew there was chem/bio stuff happing there then, but i wasn't sure if they set if off or it was something we may have done.

ok....you may resume your regularly scheduled topic

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Ummm...GD this

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. It doesn't take any time what-so-ever to destroy these weapons. It certainly doesn't take 4 hours per missile.


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Is also not true...if one is considering the environmental impacts of some of the ingredients. Remember the 'disarming' of nuclear weapons in Russia, and the US? How long did that take? Point is, you need to remove the fuel, and any 'agents' and they need to be properly disposed of. This process does take a while...even for technologically advanced nations. Now, Iraq is not particularly advanced, especially for this type of stuff. So yes, it takes awhile...one must consider the transport question, as well.

Also, the actual destruction of chemical and biological agents was much, much greater during the 12 year period after the Gulf War as during. In fact, most of the 'disarming' occured after the war.

As for actual chemical/biological use in the Gulf War - as far as I know, there was no actual use of such weapons. However, there was quite a bit of bunker destruction, so it is more than just possible that such agents were released during such actions.

I was just wondering where the heck some of our racial slurs come from and came across this:

The Racial Slur Database: Helping to make the world a better place. LOL!!!

^ Some people have WAY too much time on there hands.

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Ruskie- Russians- The Russian word for the Russian language is pronounced "pa-rooski." Was popular during the Cold War.

Rosuke- Russians- Used by Japanese. Ro means Russia in Japanese. Suke is the suffix attached Japanese common name.

Ruble Head -Russians- Originated because of the national currency and it's origin

Sputnik- Russians- The world's first artificial satellite sent into space. Not really a heinous threat, but sounds that way.

Vodkalky- Russians -Vodka + alcoholics. Plural: Vodkalkies.

Wanian- Lithuanians -Typically refers to Lithuanians who have recently moved to North America, or sometimes Lithuanians still living in the old country. Not usually used to refer to exiles (see "Lugan").

Balt -Lithuanians -From "Baltic"

Commie- Russians- Originated during the cold war. Short for communist.

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yup thats all about me :P

[edit]great link bugs[/edit]


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