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asptamer, the link you just posted above comes from the Raelians web site. And, yes, they're the ones who are big time into cloning.
http://www.rael.org/

tee hee. silly me

bodhi - I'm sure the dinosaur thing was determined by someone who wants to keep the societal structure in tack, but maybe not, they certainly look like human footprints to me. But I guess with erosional effects, which for some reason didn't seem to effect the general look of the dinosaur footprints, who can tell what is the truth.

Also, about this 2012 thing, I remember reading, or perhaps hearing on an Art Bell program, this remote viewer guy saying that none of them can see past a certain date, which is somewhere around 2012. I think this is pretty interesting. Read more about Ed Dames and this wierd stuff.


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they certainly look like human footprints to me

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Well sure.

But if we went with every crackpot theory where you could say "well sure, it looks like ______ to me" we'd be in a wolrd of trouble.

Thankfully, the scientific method can help us here a little bit =)
It helps to have facts and research and education to go along with theories, as opposed to just having theories that sound cool...

GN: And use Occam's Razor - if it looks like an eroded dinosaur footprint in a bed with other dinosaur footprints then.......

And next we have the Gospel according to Art Bell. Its good to be open minded but not to the point where anything can just fall in and take up home - weirdness is fun but I think there is a bit of a lack of critical analysis of evidence (the Internet is full of crap and you need to work on a way not to accept the word of madmen and wackos as fact).

Hmmmmm that sounds a bit harsh but......

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{edit, by the way, thanks for that great link asptamer, the one with the archeological stuff.}

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I'm glad to hear that, GN. I don't know about you guys, but I love listening to Art Bell in the wee hours... from time to time

bodhi23, thanks for that temple link. It has some good info and I agree with most of what I saw there. Jesus made the prediction about the actual temple being destroyed and as I recall He also predicted He would rise again using a temple analogy. Those were two different verses. I think we agree on that actually

GN - I think we're all pretty much weirdos around here... else why would we be in the Asylum?

Bugs - yeah, I seem to remember hearing both interpretations. I was interested to hear that there is a society that is trying to rebuild the temple for the 3rd time, in accordance with the prophecy. It'll be interesting to see if they get anywhere with that. The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque are both protected by historical monument laws. The Temple foundations are below both of those buildings. Archaeologists are in the process of excavating the southeast end of the temple mount in Jerusalem. It's the only bit that doesn't have a building on it! The Old City is a very cool place. If anyone gets the opportunity to visit over there, take it! Even if you're not Christian/Jewish/Muslim.

The only way to really settle disputes regarding things like fossil footprints is to put it to the test. Once you throw the supernatural into the mix, the results become unfalsifiable. You can't prove one way or the other whether or not the supernatural plays a part in anything. There's nothing tangible to test! When in doubt, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, as was noted above: Occam's Razor... The Paluxy prints have been compared to both other dinosaur prints as well as actual human footprints (of which we have a very good example in the Great Rift Valley) and the conclusion is that the prints are indeed those of a dinosaur. Just one with human-ish looking feet.

It's definitely good to keep your mind open to ideas, and even to believe in the supernatural. I do, but when I'm talking about history, I prefer to keep the scientific data close at hand! There ought to be plenty of time to work out the nature of the supernatural. 9 or 10 years ought to do it! *cough cough... 2012... cough cough*

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if it looks like an eroded dinosaur footprint in a bed with other dinosaur footprints then.......

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..... maybe it was a human running away from a herd of dinosaurs


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Maybe it was bigfoot (when he was young and small, of course...)

Bodhi - Cell 617

DL - He must be pretty old by now then...

Maybe that's why folks don't see him often... he don't get around like he used to!

Bodhi - Cell 617

GN, didn't you know that BigFoot is immortal? Art Bell said so!

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someone 5,000 years ago wrote something

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Uhhh...well, when one considers that most great libraries of ancient times were burned and/or destroyed, it's really hard to tell just how long mankind has been writing...one could say, those are the oldest surviving writings...I think that would be accurate to say.

I came across this site in my favourites http://exodus2006.com/2012.htm as i came across this thread. My apologies if this site has already been posted.

I'm also reading the bible code 2, which is interesting to say the least. If its true then from now on things are only going to get worse. I look at my children now 6, 4 and 17months and wonder if things get worse, Please god give me the strength to endure it with grace for my childrens sake. Who knows, maybe we will change,.......just in time.

Heh.

Things worldwide are far better than they were, say, 300 years ago (hell, pick a time - 100 years, 500 years, 1000 years...). The state of humnaity, though people generally tend to look around and say how far we've fallen, is better than it has been.

Will we change though? Nah. At our core we still haven't, and I see no reason to believe that we will now...

An interesting topic, Yes indeed... My grandfather whom died of cancer said he had drawn a conclusion from the bible, That Armegeddon, The end of the world as we know it, The end of such a pathetic race, Humanity would come. He predicted the dates of somewhere between 2010-2023.. I personally, Do not believe that I cannot control my fate, Control my life. I have no religion, I do not believe in God, and I DO NOT believe that humanity will be destroyed in the next 200 years. Enough said.

Everyone dies at one point, Wouldn't you like to did as a ginipg?

See you soon,
Doctor Thaadeous Edward Ozone

Amen DL!

That's spot on...though I do believe Man is slowly evolving further...maybe in the next 10,000 years, we will see a difference.

Has it occurred to anyone that Dec. 21, 2012 would be the Winter Solstice that year? I wonder if that has any significance to the reason why the calendar ends on that particular day...


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Bodhi, I'm guessing that the reason is because most ancient calenders were based heavily on the winter and summer solstice, the longest and shortest days of the year.

As far as calenders, the Mayans were pretty spot on with their astronomy skills, but the whole significance of numbers thing usually gets blown out of proportion.

Numbers are cool and you can come up with some pretty amazing coincedences, but they're still just coincidences.

I guess is all comes down to your interpretation of the importance of coincidences. What some people percieve as coincidence, others percieve as very important information. And some things have probably been looked over in the past as only being a coincidence, to later have been discovered to be a significant pattern.


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