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I'd like to hear other people's opinions about some weird things that happen to us. For example dreams, or deja vous? Can a dream foretell future? What's a deja vous? I'm sure you all have had experiences with these things, which some might even call supernatural. Any thoughts as to what they are?

My thoughts on this topic are very boring. I don't think dreams are anything but the workings of your unconscious, nothing more nothing less. I believe deja vu is caused by a chemical reaction in the brain that is slightly different than normal.

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Bugs: Well, I don't know about you, but the workings of my un/subconscious are anything but boring...

I would tend to agree with Bugs, although a part of me likes to think that there might be something supernatural about it.

(Although I must say I do believe the stories in the Bible that say God appeared to something in a dream, and I suppose that could be considered supernatural. But normal dreams? No, that's just your brain cleaning house at the end of the day.)




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I have had several dreams, well make that many dreams that have come true. It happens to me quite regulary. I think it all depends on the individual.

For example, I used to have this strange dream all the time when I was kid that I was sitting around watching this movie about people in jungles. In the dream it was me, my Dad, some lady that he was with whom I did not know, and some other girl who I was with. And it was in a house I had never been in.

About 6 months ago, I was sitting in my Dad's new house downstairs watching a movie about a jungle with my Dad, my Step-Mom, who my dad has been married to for about three years, and my wife, who I have been married to for about a year. For about ten minutes the dream was recreated right before my eyes and I knew exactly who was going to say what when. I even knew right before she was going to get up that my Step-Mom was about to go to the bathroom.

I also had a dream in Texas, before I moved to Washington DC that I was standing outside this building smoking a cig. and this plane came crashing into the building next to me, which happens to be a government, I think its a Department Of Defense building (or something) I quickly ran inside and down this hallway and then took a left and ran into the bathroom. The building I ran into is the building I currently work in.

I am pretty this isn't going to happen or anything, the dream was during the whole 9-11 thing and probably just caused by the stress of everything, but it was wierd when I started working here and I already knew my way around.

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As far as deja-vu', well I have those quite regularly, about once a month or sometimes more. I have had a series of deja-vu's over about a four hour period one time that was pretty strange. So, Bugs, I either have a bunch of this chemical you are talking about, or something.

Hum..
This reminds me, I was going to write a story about a guy who gets stuck in a deja-vu for the rest of his life, and his entire life is spent in this state. I have to remember to do that.


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Interesting, GN. I can't say that any of my dreams have ever "foretold" anything in my life. I have had very distinct instances of deja vu though.

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...as I was saying... I can analyze nearly all of the dreams I have as to what conscious thoughts brought them on. It's quite fun to do. I can usually track back a portion of a dream to something that was said or a concern that I had a day or week prior to the dream. This tells me that my subconsious mind has been munching on it and it had to find a way to the upper levels.

Great topic, asptamer.

Yea, Bugs.

I do agree that most dreams are just products of the sub-conscious, but some of them are products of the super-conscious.

There are many parts of consciousness, and when we are sleeping, it gives all those different parts a chance to get together and chat.



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I very rarely remember my dreams. Maybe once or twice a month actually.

I don't know if dreams give us some sort of insight into the future. All I know is my roommate constantly screams during his sleep so he must be dreaming something bad.

Jestah

umm..whats is deja-vu? I heard the world before but dunno what it is...is it english? sound alot like french....

Main Entry: dé·jà vu
Pronunciation: "dA-"zhä-'vü, dA-zh[a']-v[UE]
Function: noun
Etymology: French, adjective, literally, already seen
Date: 1903
1 a : the illusion of remembering scenes and events when experienced for the first time b : a feeling that one has seen or heard something before
2 : something overly or unpleasantly familiar

Sorry for going completely off topic here... but I'm a bitch sometimes. (most of the time)
Bugs... yer killin' me here. I made an enormous post about this site and you didn't post anything back about it.
*cries*...
Can ya just post to acknowledge that you read it?
=D

Okay.. back to whatever you're talking about.

Déja Vu is when a memory is sent to your long term memory by accident, you see something and think it happened ages ago, it would be cool is memories where time-stamped

I was told by my philosophy teacher that psychologists believe deja-vu to be all to do with the pathways in the brain. As far as I remember it, a signal travels down two different pathways simultaneously,, but accident or somthing, and then because they arrive with a very short interval between them (not nearly long enough for concious recognition that there are two impulses) it seems as if you've already seen it. Or it might be that combined with what Hugh said. anyway, it's those pathways. In French it litterally means "already seen".

Michael, I just posted over there

heh. so according to u people, deja-vu is a glitch in the brain.
I used to think (and still incline to that idea, partially) that dejavus are actually bits of remembrance from either our dreams, or past lives - if such existed, but in this case, that previous life would've been exactly like the present one (a personal hell?). Why do I think so? because a few times, after I've experienced 2 or more deja-vus in a relatively short timespan (few hours), something important had happened (something that I would've remembered if I saw it in a dream, or lived through it before).

As far as dreams themeselves go, I saw one of my close friends die in my dream, and in real life he died a few months after that dream. So I asked myself: "coincidence or not?" I do believe in probability, but how low is a probability of something like that happening? So I thought some more, and started this thread

My dreams are very different, very different. I tend to predict the future in a lot of my dreams... many many times, especially the times before I would go and do drugs the next day or day after that. For example

Once I had a dream with a guy walking on crotches, the next day I come to my drug dealer and he is on crotches. I never plan on buying drugs now days, this is a past issue for me but somtimes i just end up smoking some pot once in a while.

I also had a dream about 3 gnomes running around and laughing at people, well guess what, the next day I went out and smoked up with 2 other kids and we drove my car and laughed at people. Shit like this just doesnt happen if dreams are simply chemicals in our brain.

Whats even more interesting is that I have been developing an ability to control my dreams. I have had this happen more than once by now. Before I go to sleep I visualize my environment and I end up in complete control, flying around, jumping from one building to another... The first time I was in control was when I was like "WOW I am in complete control and this IS a dream. What do I do ?" and as soon as I thought this, the sky turned black and flashed with lightning across them. I thought.. hmm. someone is angry.... then I was like well what do i do? Maybe I should go and molest girls ? Hmm I feel like pissing on the floor right in the middle of the city (thats where I was standing) so I started pissing on a floor and these waiters came out of some restaraunt, picked me up while I was pissing. One asked me, so how is your penis ? As if he was going to cook something out of it. I was no longer in control. For some reason I could not get away from them they sorta arrested me.

Other dreams I met people, recently I have met a black guy named John Gual. I asked his phone number so when I wake up I will call him but unfortunately he wrote it down on my hand in the dream and when i awakened there was no phone Maybe I should search for him through out the country. Well anyhow, I was teaching him how to fly in a dream and that It was a dream he was in, then I had him write a number on my hand which didnt end up on my hand when I woke up. i should have asked him for it.

Another dream I have met some other person and I asked them for a number, I wrote it down as soon as I woke up, and when I called it. It wasnt in service

In another dream I decided to have sex, I found some girl and had sex with her. I was just standing up and my dick was kinda of long and pointing upwards while she was almost flying up and down It felt REALLY GOOD, better than a real lay because it was 100% in my head, a totally different feeling.

I am trying this new controll your dream thing out for now. I am thinking of evolving it and I also think that it is one way to get in touch with your abilities to control this universe as well, through our dreams because they are our most evident link to other worlds.

Arseniy

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For the safety of people's crotches everywhere, I really hope you mean crutches

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lol oh no...

ahhh the gnomes...

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heh. so according to u people, deja-vu is a glitch in the brain.

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No, silly. Everyone knows that deja vu is a glitch in the matrix.

Damn you suho...I was going ot say that!

Damn you suho...I was going ot say that!

rawbot69

You may be interesting in this link.
Or this one has a bunch of different links.

You really seem like you may have the type of personality that would get into Shamanism, and you may already know about it, but some people, or I should say most people, don't know much about it. Just thought maybe I could point you in the right direction.


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Damn you suho...I was going ot say that!

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actually... I was going to say that... but I thought " a giltch in the brain" would be obvious enough for everyone to think of The Matrix, which in a way was my intent.

They said, "Deja-vus occur in the matrix when they change something," So when Hugh and quisja said what they did about deja-vus, I thought "hmm... this makes sense," and so, they used it in the movie. A Glitch. But what if, it's just as a deliberate glitch in our brain, as it is in The Matrix? As one of my friends noticed, "it could be when YOU change something in your life." I understood that as going back and correcting a mistake. Sounds interesting, but I still believe more firmly in the 'past life' or 'dream' origin of dejavu. Could be just a chemical reaction. But so is an acid trip. Only when you have one, you know you're tripping on acid. But when you have a deja-vu, you think you've seen it before, in your sober life : )

Hey dud thanks for some Shamanic Links got me interested ! I will definately get some books about it !!!!

deja-vu's to my intuitional knowledge are notion that something is wrong or correct. It is a notion of something intense and you must notice this particular moment, think about maybe there is something else you must be doing right now. To my belief since there are unlimited amount of possibilities then everything has already happened and it makes nothing NOTHING boring, after all life is full of surprises So when you reach a certain point in your life a Deja-vu is a reminder of that point that you must have reached before and a crucial point indeed. They mean you are in the right place at the right time, they are like mini-miracles that happen to us, a reminder of something other worldly.

To those that believe that a Dejavu is just a chemical reaction in your brain.... well no JOKE REALLY ?! IS THAT ALL IT IS ?! I mean cmon people, Science is a luxury which blinds us to the truth that this world is made of many more things that simply matter... but some see the truth and like myself use science to prove that science nothing but an illusion... its whats been put over our eyes.... Our world consists of both spirit and matter, we are in between these two extreme dimensions so yes Chemical reaction in your brain may very well be something spiritual because they are 100% connected to each other... this is the place where stuff like that happens and we are in it, so deal with it... science and spirit work together to create something beatuiful that is you and me... enjoy it... and don't ignore that ....

asptamer: Yup, Skaarjj and I were just racing to see who could play salivating dog to your bell.

asptamer: Yup, Suho and I were just racing to see who could play salivating dog to your bell.

-No problem-

Did you just... wait...

OPERATOR! I NEED AN EXIT!

yesss. do not ignore the dejavus... or else... the agents will get ya : )

Neurochemicals in the brain cause all kinds of strange functions that have yet to be fully understood by science. I firmly believe that eventually some reconciliation between science and the supernatural will someday come about. Until such time, the supernatural will continue to be used as an explanation of unexplained phenomena.

I like the mysteries of the human mind. And I've spent a lot of time studying occult theories on all sorts of unexplained stuff. I like to believe that deja vu, portents, omens, and seeing the future are all possible. As to whether they are caused by neurochemical reactions in the brain or by unexplained supernatural phenomena, I don't think it really matters if it's something that actually exists.
In the randomness that exists in the universe, it's not unlikely to have a prophetic dream out of the millions of dreams occuring every night. Science claims that it's just chance. But the fact that dreams do sometimes turn out to seem prophetic raises the likely hood that though rare, true prophecy exists.

I have deja vu fairly often myself. I never recognize a situation prior to the actual event, and then its all post hoc anyway. But when it occurs, I have vivid memories of having seen it all before, and can often place my memory of the original "vision" at an exact time and place where I had it initially. Weird stuff. Could be neurochemical... could be too much experimentation in college... could be supernatural... But it happens.


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I do hope my dreams never come true

GN: You should keep a dream diary or something because if you can predict the future the James Randi has 1 million dollars up for grabs. See this story:
www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_719817.html?menu=
www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/news/2002/12dec/021203owen.shtml

and his sites info:
www.garyfowler.com/bigbrother/

and this made me laugh:
www.thespeciousreport.com/2002_predictions.html

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Bodhi - I don't think it really matters if it's something that actually exists.

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This is a very good point. If someone is percieved as having strange abilities that can not be explained scientifically, that does not mean that these things do not exist. Existence is a very individual thing. Like for example, one person may percieve that he can communicate with animals telepathically, and another person may say that this is rediculous and impossible. Well, just because the person says it is impossible, does not mean it does not exist.

And Emps...I don't really look at it like seeing the future, its more like memories from my future which are stored in the mind of my super-personallity being transmitted into my sub-conscious and then into my dreams. Of course this is just a theory.


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