Topic awaiting preservation: Chimps R Us? (Page 1 of 1) |
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Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers From: Cell 53, East Wing |
posted 05-21-2003 15:05
The arguement that chimps should be given full human rights has been batted around for a while: |
Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: Rouen, France |
posted 05-21-2003 15:41
The evolution theory states that we humans and the chimps have a common ancestor (not yet discovered). But, apart from that old relationship, nothing binds us the chimps. This is not like if they were our ancestors (something the detractors of this theory like to say), they are more or less 'cousins' with humans. Nowadays, one can't really say we belongs to the same family. So, why do those scientists try by all means to prove they are humans ? They are chimps, and as it stated in the theory, they are near cousins with us. So, yes they are close from us, but no they are not humans. |
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers From: Cell 53, East Wing |
posted 05-21-2003 15:43
MS: As far as I can tell largely as a tool to push the idea that Chimps should have human rights. |
Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: Rouen, France |
posted 05-21-2003 16:14
Hmm sorry I just became aware I was a bit "off" the question ("Do you think we should give chimps full human rights?"). |
Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: [s]underwater[/s] under-snow in Juneau |
posted 05-21-2003 17:21
I bet if we give chimps all human rights, including the right to vote, Bush will be re-elected. |
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers From: Cell 53, East Wing |
posted 05-21-2003 17:51
MS: Thats the question and was the reason the New Zealanders didn't give them human rights but did follow the example fo the British goverment and stop medical experiments on them. I think before we can even begin to address these issues we need to stop the Bushmeat trade's decimation of the primates, deal with deforestation, stop medical experiments on them, etc. |
Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed |
posted 05-21-2003 18:17 |
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: New California |
posted 06-03-2003 19:55
Right. Stop abusing them, as well as everyone else we abuse, but to grant human rights to non-humans is foolish. We don't need to grant them human rights to treat them properly. This just seems like another political and/or publicity move to push an agenda. The implementation of the agenda should stand or fall on its own merits and not on poor arguments designed to sway public opinion. |
Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: Greensboro, NC USA |
posted 06-03-2003 20:46
I was reading along in the posts here, and I had an interesting thought. I figured I'd throw it into the mix: quote:
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Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: New California |
posted 06-03-2003 22:28
I draw a huge distinction between intelligence and the capacity for moral thought. We have consciences. To me, this is the kind of ability that would have to be demonstrated for me to consider animals approaching humanity. |
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate From: San Antonio, Texas |
posted 06-03-2003 23:03
It seems to me that, from the perspective of world history, chimpanzees have exactly the same rights as humans - that is, they have the rights to which luck or striving entitle them. I have a lot of rights because I was lucky enough to be born in America. If I had been born in certain parts of Asia or Africa, I would have far fewer rights. Animals which are legally pets do have certain legal rights; animals which are legally test subjects have none. We allow slavery and mass murder to continue in some parts of the world because we're not willing to pay the price of ending them, and we may not be wrong - the price might be more than we could afford. |