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do i really need to say it?............feeling good about yourself within yourself.

i dare say you would call it self-esteem. some might call it self-pride, or self-righteous, but it's totally up to you how you call it. i know; it's really a struggle to get outside of (outcydr haha) yourself (operative word: self). maybe that's why we're here (in asylum) and getting off topic. my thoughts are drifting elsewhere. sorry.

If being able to live with myself is a reward- then I think i can see where you are coming from...
Perhaps to clarify- I feel that I don't need an external/supernatural entity to give/grant something to me convince me to behave appropriately. (I sense a giant can opener hovering above a tin container marked "Worms")

off topic? what topic?

Hey guys, cant we have a poll here?

Shake it

Self? Who is that?

I AM that I AM is all that I AM

And I eats my spinach every day.

TooT! TooT!

who needs afterlife when you have life?
life is a gift live it! do everything that makes you happy! dont waste your preciouse time talking about some afterlife or whatever its totaly pointless what you believe in. when you die you will find out...but right now just get a life

hmm, this is selfish..when im down ithink like you ruski, i live like there is no tomorrow and its great fun.. but sometimes i wonder and whats next?

Shake it

so stop wondering, go lear some advanced math or some chemistry! forget the magic..its only in LOTR...and there is no jedy firce ......just go shake your ass at some parties and relax

You got a narrow mind.

Shake it

Only 4 choices..? I guess I'll choose 5, which is some parts of I. and 2. but with some heavy modifications...

...xpi...

[This message has been edited by Xpirex (edited 07-01-2003).]

And what about... Humanists.

Why does the primitive side of our brain, even in our time of enlightenment still need to explain things with magic? For thousands of years we have suppressed and retarded ourselves. We had to be part of, or recognized by something. We created classes and then classified ourselves. We had to have answers to things we didn't understand. And... in those days we had no way of investigating what we didn't understand. So we believed someone who we were told could be trusted to explain things to us. Usually that someone, at a time when they needed answers, was told to listen to someone else that allegedly was trust worthy.

Other times when we needed answers and didn't like what we were told, we searched and searched until finally we liked what we heard. Then we passed it on. We became the ones to tell others who needed answers, who could be trusted to answer them. We were lead to or happened across our religions.

Science is an ever changing, ever expanding, almost living thing. Yet some religions use the theory of the moment to knock down the entire body. In the world of science ?Today?s? theory is either proven later or adapts to the newer version based on newer facts. Science itself in the end is the doctrine of a science mind not the theory.

Other religions use the science of archeology to try to verify their beliefs. But showing that a place existed does not mean the events said to occur actually occurred. I had friends that went to Europe and when they came back they said they never saw litter in the street. Not one piece of paper. So just because Europe exists I should believe litter there does not?

"Witness" is used by most religions to verify their doctrines. Yet no one has witnessed anything in our time. So why is "witness" or testimony as in testament still a means of verification? I don't know. Only the primitive mind can answer that.

I do know this. Witnesses have jailed many innocent people with their testimony, who where only freed later by a science known as DNA. I also have seen people claim to "witness" things for their 15 minutes of fame.

Science started out as a way to explain things so we don not need the fallible witness system. If it can be repeated under controlled conditions... Then it is so. Religions jailed and executed our earliest scientists because it threatened their faith system based solely on whiteness. This is why out of the tens of thousands of years of our existence science and medicine have only flourished for roughly 600 years. Most advancement only in the past 150 years. Think of the diseases and other human issues we could have resolved if we embraced science earlier.

It is a shame we are separated by our different beliefs... religious and political (which are usually religious based).

As a Humanist we all benefit.

Thank gravity I'm here

BINGO!

*kneels to Sander*

Bingo.....


as I said there is no point of wondering about those things...just live your freaking life and study.

ohh and dont forget that jews created God, which christians worship nowdays.

(Judaism-why does this shit always happens to us?)

Good arguments Sander, but i did find some slightly flaws =P

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Why does the primitive side of our brain, even in our time of enlightenment still need to explain things with magic?

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Because science (in a formal procedure) did not existed. We always needed some way to explain the things/circumstances around us, and how could you accurately describe what water is without having the precise concept of elements and atoms?

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I do know this. Witnesses have jailed many innocent people with their testimony, who where only freed later by a science known as DNA.

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Not necesarily. DNA is a resource (criminal investigation wise), not even a science (you are talkin about genetics), and they did not necesarily tell in a suspicious is guilty or not, specially when the suspicious could have been in the crime scene and somehow dropped hair over the victim, or the criminal was very smart and made sure he did not left a genetic clue he was the murder.

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Science started out as a way to explain things so we don not need the fallible witness system. If it can be repeated under controlled conditions... Then it is so. Religions jailed and executed our earliest scientists because it threatened their faith system based solely on whiteness. This is why out of the tens of thousands of years of our existence science and medicine have only flourished for roughly 600 years. Most advancement only in the past 150 years. Think of the diseases and other human issues we could have resolved if we embraced science earlier.

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There is a science known as history that tell us that we should learnt of the msitakes from the past to not commit them again. Whats done is done.

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Science started out as a way to explain things so we don not need the fallible witness system. If it can be repeated under controlled conditions... Then it is so.

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There is a science known as sociology that tell us not everything can be repeated under the same conditions. Human behavior and stuff can be more or less predicted, not declared.

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It is a shame we are separated by our different beliefs... religious and political (which are usually religious based).

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Not really. We are firstly separated by distances, which are broken thanks to internet ;P. But if you are talkin about the entire globe, well, political beliefs are not necesaril influenced by religion. Both Mexico and US are mostly Christian nations, and we are severely spearated by political factors. The war in Irak was a good example, US wanted to go to war, mexico didnt, which affected a lot of the political relationships between the mentioned countries.

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As a Humanist we all benefit.

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"Da da da I dont love you, you dont love me da da da." =P

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Thank gravity I'm here

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*curses gravity for letting Sander being here* j/k you seem cool.

Going back to topic:

About afterlife
I am not really fond to give an accurate decision (i change it every three days ;P), but for now i pick reincarnation. Lately i have had some kind of nostalgia, and really have had the desire of having a daughter (when I am 18 and dont even have a gf), and everytime i see master card announcement with a guy who decided to pass his weekend with his daughter, both of them laughing and having lots of fun, i really want to be that guy, and almost make me cry. There are some despot nature in me as well, most people called me in my childhood ver very arrogant.

About End of t3h w0rld
A big gigantic [sic] hand will appear from nowhgere and will crush the earth with badass divine glory.

-Alevice

ps. Ruski, i do really enjoy my life, i do know how sort can it be, but sitting here around 15 mins thinking about what could happen when i die does not hurt.

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