Topic awaiting preservation: -Angels in Normal Life-

I am reading a cool book about angels. I was
wondering if anyone had any experiences with
them? Or anything that perhaps seems angelic-like.

The book I am reading relates experiences with angels very strangely.
A lot of the stories in it are sort of based on things that could be percieved
as coincidences. Like this one little girl gets hit by a car and she is rolling real
fast towards this open manhole, which if she falls in she will surely die. But suddenly,
right on the edge she stops. Everyone was simply amazed that she stopped so suddenly,
and when they were talking to her, she said...But didn't you see the angel standing in the
manhole with his hands out? Of course, the onlookers just thought it was the girls imagination,
or her delirium from being hit by the car.

Another story is about this guy who's car broke down on the side of the road. He calls his wife and
she recalls a dream she had the night before about his car getting smashed as he sat in it on the edge
of the highway. She recommends he goes and wait's for the tow-truck at the Hotel right by there, and as
he starts walking towards the hotel, his car suddenly gets smashed from behind by a huge truck, which, of
course, would of killed him like what happened in the wifes dream. She said she felt that an angel helped her
to have the dream.

Anyway, basically. The book says that angels are composed of pure thought and can apear to us in any form they
choose. Either in thought, emotion, a glowing creature with dazzeling wings, etc. So, have any of you had any sort of
experiences that remind you of an angel.


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this is what I like to call work of "BRAIN" .

I have had no such experiences. I am agnostic when it comes to the existence of angels, demons, aliens, etc. I have heard things that make me think they must exist, yet I have no personal knowledge or experiences in that regard.

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Bugs, I know there are angels all over scripture from OT-NT especially in revelations, so I find that confusing coming from you.

I have a great many questions about our faith, Jade. The existence of angels is just one of them. I can see how they could be aliens who do God's bidding, I can see them as mythical beings and the mention of them in the bible being used for cultural relevance, I can see them being literally at God's side and spiritual beings. There is simply not enough information about them to know either way. I wish we had more.

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unlike you jade he doesnt accept the scripture as a fanatic and fallow every world.....the bible is written in poetic way, with a whle bunch of metaphor...we dont know what writter might have ment when he said "angels".

Ruski, ease up a bit please. Actually I don't associate Catholic theology with a strict literal interpretation of scripture at all. I don't think we can assume Jade does either.

So Bugs,
If you think that Angels could possibly be aliens followings god's bidding,
do you perhaps then also think that God could be an alien?

Or do you think more along the lines of, aliens are like humans, only from
a different planet, and we all worship the same god and do his bidding.

Of course this is all hypothetical, since you just said it may only be a possiblility.

Gilber, everything is possible!

Its possible like you said, its possible that there is no God, its possible that there is god, its possible that there is zeus on maunt olimpus, its possible son of sam did actually heard the comman from dog....just like DL said in other thread.

If there were actually something other than simple human imagination or lack of understanding of natural phenomon that caused people speak of gods and angels, my bet would be that they were aliens. That 'god' would simply have been the leader of the group that visited us, and that angels would have been subsequent visitors.

"angels" in the sense that you speak of in the first post are - IMO - pure nonsense.

The girl stopped rolling - ok. There are a million things taht could explain that.

A premonition about a common roadisde danger that actually came true? No big surprise there....

How many preomonitions of danger has she had that have *not* happened? We do this all time - we have concerns over issues of safety because we've all seen accidentws happen. When the incidents that cause us concern actually heppen, all of a sudden we turn it into "premonition".

Angels? Do they exist? Definately.
Demons too? Assuradly.
Do I have proof? Nope.
Are there battles going around us constantly that we don't see? Yep.
Do I have proof? Nope.
Have I ever seen an angel? Nope.

All these stories that are written could have been faked. Does it mean that they didn't happen? Nope. Does it mean that angels don't exist? Nope.

By the way... If you guys beleive in the Bible, then change the "do I have proof" answers to yes. (Except have I seen an angel!)

[EDIT: Was it just by coincidence or did you specially format your text? Thats just too strange >.> It was an angel!]


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"The Mystery of Life"
Vol. 841, Ch. 26
"All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. This is the truth! This is my beleif! ...at least for now." - Chrono Trigger
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[This message has been edited by Ruku (edited 10-11-2003).]

oh man...

hahahahaha... sorry... I just misread... i am really tired... hahah...

anyway...
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I am reading a cook book about angels. I was
wondering if anyone had any experiences with
them? Or anything that perhaps seems angelic-like.

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Yah, this is a very angelic age we live in... we see them every where.

greeting cards, paintings, stores, especially around Christmas.

dang... i think i just royally screwed up a Calvin and Hobbes joke.

Seriously though.

mmm... I have never had something happen that I though, That was an angle. Atleast I cant think of one now... But I do believe in em.

I apologize of this random post. I know this is no excuse but I have been locked in a room editing video for some 11 hours or so.

Add 1/2 Cup of Angel and crush gently. Blend with pinch of spice and serve.

[And I got the crush gently from the side of an old whoppers box. Crush gently? Thats about as valid as Microsoft Works.]

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"The Mystery of Life"
Vol. 841, Ch. 26
"All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. This is the truth! This is my beleif! ...at least for now." - Chrono Trigger
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Are there battles going around us constantly that we don't see? Yep.

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Really? Do tell!

Well,

It's the eternal battle of good vs. evil,
if you choose to use those words.

You know the constant tug at your soul
pulling you to decide, 'should I do what I
know is wrong, or should I do what is right?'


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there is no right or wrong, only fun or boring.

and this never happens to me, I always fallow my feelings and I dont get into any stupid problems.

"Evil will always triumph over good because good is dumb."

Just a funny quote that I don't remember where it was from... Oh well...

InSiDeR, I think Ruku was referring to what Paul said to the Ephesian church,

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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

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Personally, this works for me whether or not the struggle occurs within each of us or whether there are actual beings, i.e. angels and demons, battling in the areas out of our view. Either way, we find ourselves hurting other people, ourselves, and God on a regular basis when we know it would be better for all involved not to do those things.

Ruski, you have got to be kidding me if you think you can avoid trouble by following your feelings. I wouldn't wish that path on my worst enemies!

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NO, Bugs for real...I dunno how it works...but many people usually ask me "what is the craziest thing you have ever done? "

I simply dont know what to say....I mean...there is absolutly nothing I have done to be callled crazy....

what? I smoked cigarete once...wow, big deal....tried didnt like...nothing else....I tried many alcoholic substances...I have never been drunk...didnt like them either....I have never done anykind of drug....simply never had interest in it....

seems like it is that way: I always had what to do....sports, study, arts, imigration, languages....

I have to admit that some of my past was harsh...like living around alcoholics, being abused in someways...but now everything is great.....

I used to have faith and hope...but nothing worked until I actually took up my actions....


another thing...if I ever wanted to get laid? sure as hell. did I do it? no, I just felt like I didnt want it with that person, nor I felt it was a time....I felt it was too risky at that time... am I religiuos, if I believe that I have to be "pure" before marriege? no, I dont mind healthy sexual relationship outside marriege...but...I hope you know what I mean Bugs, my life is wierd in a way...and people just see me wierd...like a person like me cant exist or something....

the problems I had was always related to family matter, like in russia and here with stepfather....cuz they are f@Ck!n drunkasses

Ruski, I'm glad to hear you're keeping your nose clean. Faith and hope are not incompatible with taking up your own actions... they complement one another. I just don't want you to abandon your faith

I will admit when it comes to "feelings" I am biased. I don't trust feelings. I tend to run from them. I prefer facts and logic and reason to be my guide. Sometimes that makes me incredibly boring and I'm sure it has to do with the way I was brought up and some of the hang ups I have. Feelings are good in that they keep us in touch with our humanity but I want our feelings to be subject to our minds and not the other way round.

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Bugs quoted St. Paul..
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For our struggle is not against blah blah..... but instead ... powers of this dark
world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
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Which are transmitted over and effect the physical body. So by battling on
a local, or physical body, or on a mental capacity, you can also learn to battle
against the spiritual forces of darkness, which are inter-related with physical
things. It is all one big bag of fat, all melted together. To battle spiritual forces,
you must realize that your physical actions bring different spiritual forces to you,
good or evil or whatever. Or yea, what bugs said.

And Ruski, at one point in your life, or maybe more than just once, life is rather long you know, something will come up that will test you on your ability to choose the best path. Choose wisely.


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Yes, Gilbert this also happened...

I chose to become an artist =)

thanks for a warning I will always keep it in mind...I know this happens alot...like a college and such...thats where my feelings come into play!

I've heard that everybody once in lifetime encounters an angel and gets aid. Few people realizes the situation.

maybe true

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

angels surely don't run around butt naked, without a peepee and with two glowey golden wings
on their back.

You can't be sure of this. Besides the bible relates to us they have six wings, with two on their feet. This could be symbolic, but according to scriputure, they do Gods will for us. Our potential for greatness is greater than the angels could ever
be and the reason being is we are made in Gods image and likeness. They aren't.

So I think of the angels like personal assistants. Doing Gods
bidding in assisting and guiding us to do the will of their maker
and boss. Who knows that they don't or do take corporal form to make
life easier for us. I believe there are billions of angels all over
the earth. For the open minded, I read somewhere where that
a angel is assigned to each family during their lifetimes and
they will stay with each one till they have left the earth.



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This is a bit off topic, but I guess since I started it, I can change it.
But that thing Jade said about their being billions of angels, reminds
me of this question I have about souls. Since our souls supposedly
live for ever, and go through many lifetimes. What is to account
for population change? At one point in time, for instance, there
were only say 100,000 humans on the planet, thus 100,000
souls. Now there are over 6 billion people alive, so where
did all the new souls come from. Were they just sitting
around waiting for new bodies, or what? Anyway, just
thought I would bring this up as it is something that
has always bothered me about the whole thing of
souls living for all of eternity. I mean, it seems
to me that that is why there are old souls, and
new souls. The new ones being born as more
humans are born and the souls are needed.


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I never thought the whole God and angel business is like M$
Huge corporation run by one big boss (GOD), who got a whole bunch of coworkers (angels)
and alot of dumb animals (us) who use up his products.

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we are made in Gods image and likeness. They aren't.

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just who do you think is being refered to in the bible when it says:

let US create man in OUR image

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there is no right or wrong, only fun or boring.

and this never happens to me, I always fallow my feelings and I dont get into any stupid problems.

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Well then there would be no trial over the Washington Snipers because there was no wrong in their doing.


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"The Mystery of Life"
Vol. 841, Ch. 26
"All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. This is the truth! This is my beleif! ...at least for now." - Chrono Trigger
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we are made in Gods image and likeness.

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I don't think that God was referring to physical likeness, because I don't think that God really looks like anything. I think God is more like an entitiy that could take on a physical form, but he doesn't just have an inherent physical shape.

He was referring to emotional and intellectual likeness, I think. We can think and feel emotion, like God.

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angels surely don't run around butt naked, without a peepee and with two glowey golden wings
on their back.

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As whoever else said it: You never know.

But, somewhere in the Bible it says that Angels have no sex, or something, which would infer that either (a) their all the same sex or (b) they don't have any sexual organs.

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just who do you think is being refered to in the bible when it says: let US create man in OUR image

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Many believe, as do I, that this is God consulting himself, the Trinity, in whose image we are made. That God manufactured a trinity in us: mind, body, and spirit by the interpreation of some, by the likes of Aristotle defining the sould as made up of 3 parts, mind, memory, will. Lot's of different interpretations of the parallel of trinity but most interpreters agree that the US is the Holy Tinity.

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But, somewhere in the Bible it says that Angels have no sex, or something, which would infer that either (a) their all the same sex or (b) they don't have any sexual organs

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Off the top of my head, forgive the lack of reference: there are many places in the Bible where angels are referred to and actually *numbered* like there'as a finite predetermined number and they do not reproduce.

Jason

But that thing Jade said about their being billions of angels, reminds
me of this question I have about souls. Since our souls supposedly
live for ever, and go through many lifetimes. What is to account
for population change? At one point in time, for instance, there
were only say 100,000 humans on the planet, thus 100,000
souls. Now there are over 6 billion people alive, so where
did all the new souls come from. Were they just sitting
around waiting for new bodies, or what? Anyway, just
thought I would bring this up as it is something that
has always bothered me about the whole thing of
souls living for all of eternity. I mean, it seems
to me that that is why there are old souls, and
new souls. The new ones being born as more
humans are born and the souls are needed.

This reminds me of a lady that clamimed to have the gift of being able to make contact with angels who I saw on Oprah. The angels gave her a vision that souls are reborn. God can send them back, be it to redeem themselves or help mankind in someway, but its their option. They don't have to come back if they don't want to. She stated they can decide what family they want to be born in. But as soon as they are born they have no memory of them choosing. They are reborn as new souls like its their first birth. Not saying I believe this. Reminds me of Miracle on 34th Street movie, where an angel has to come on earth to earn his wings. But then thur scripture we know angels are finite. From what I have read we don't become angels.

I believe in spirits...very much like my ancestors...

I do not believe in Angels, Devils (or God, or Gods) in a classical sense, but believe that they could be spirits, with a religious 'covering'... I have had encounters with spirits. Since those times, I have had no wish to ever try and repeat that. I finally decided to listen to what the medicine men said. Encoutering spirits without knowing what one is doing is dangerous, to say the least. I had a huge amount of luck on my side, apparently.

Training to enter the spirit world, and dealing with spirits is long, hard, and requires that one stick to a strict regiment - something that I was not, and still am not, capable of doing, apparently. Maybe someday...I am not sure. Finding a teacher willing to train one also complicates the matter immensely, to be sure. I'm not sure how many teachers actually still exist, who practice this. Probably less than a handful, these days...

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Encoutering spirits without knowing what one is doing is dangerous, to say the least. I had a huge amount of luck on my side, apparently.

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I'll second this. I have had some very horrible and scary experiences. Yikes...

As far as teachers. I am pretty sure there a quite a few these days, a lot more than a handful. Now, how many of them are genuine, well that is a another issue. I have met a couple people though, who are very skilled in this kind of thing. This is one thing that alot of people seem to think does not exist amoungst the white culture for some reason. People tend to think for some reason, that if you are not Native American, or from some jungle in South America, Africa or something, that you for some reason can not have great spiritual powers. I think this is a strange and very wrong misconception. I know this lady in Maryland, and when she is envolved in healing, and she lays her hands on you, you can feel this tremendous heat that surges out of them and into your body. It's like all these white middle class new-agers are going around searching for some Native American elder to teach them some secret, when in reality, that secret is also inside of their own blood, and can be found in their own cultural setting. Druids for example, and Chaos Magic, Technoshamanism, all sorts of stuff. I mean, its hard for someone with a cultural base in the world of the "White Man" to adapt or to even understand the meaning and the idealogies of Native American's.

Anyway.
Yea. It's much easier to just stay on the normal path of life, but for some of us, we have no choice. I mean, I have almost died a couple of times from this stuff. I have not slept for like two weeks a couple of times, physically died once, all sorts of messed up shit. Been pinned down in my bed once by some evil spirit that held me down, not letting me breathe. I've seen the very fabric of reality shake and split open revealing a huge and never-ending blackness, this happened one day while I was standing outside a bank, about to make a deposit, smoking a cig. It was rather strange and left me shaking. Anyway, I don't know why I even mention this, I have hardly told anyone about it, except my wife and a couple close friends, but oh well. I just wanted to explain, that for some of us, we fear death if we do not follow the path that God, or whomever, has set us on. I know that that is why I am so interested in all this stuff. It's not like I want to do this shit, I feel I have no choice, and that if I don't, I will die. That may sound drastic or strange to some of you, but it's true.



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WS
We bought this house 10 years ago and there is somekind of spirit living with us since. She lies dormant most of the time but every now and then she wants us to notice her. I say its female because she goes thru my closet in the middle of the nite looking thru my clothes. Mostly she makes herself known during the day. She has manifested herself to be my daughter when my daughter is not home on one occasion. She make noises, shuts doors, mumbles, turns on taps, touches us and shakes our beds. My son feels she has invaded his dreams and is recurringly chasing him. But he has never been able to see her face. One day we were all watching TV in the den and just as my husband walked in the electricity went out and he says a ball of light with sort of a tail resembling lightning went to the TV. He asked us if we saw it, but we didn't. Anyway the electricity came back on seconds later. She seems friendly. It seems like she just wants to be noticed. We were talking yesterday that here recently, she is being more active and maybe seems to be getting stronger. We think maybe it
has trapped itself to my house or doesn't want to ascend to God or something.
We just don't know. I want to help it but don't know how. I told my daugher that maybe we just have to pray for her to find a way out. I do believe in spirits roaming the earth. I figure God maybe has her here for a reason too. Iknow this is hard for someone to believe that there is a spirit in my house. But it is so true. My sister babysat my house one day and she heard someone come in and slam the door. She got up, called out and looked outside and no one was there.
I never even told her of the ghost

Hmmm...interesting, you give the spirit a 'sex' - i.e. female. Do you then think that it is perhaps human? Just curious.

I really never thought otherwise. I know it vies for the attention of my husband. What else could it be if not human? Last nite we were watching TV and we all heard what sounded like a crash in the music room where my husband has all his instruments and musical equipment. We all ran in there and there was nothing that had fallen or moved. This same thing happened last week. We thought its the spirit again and just went back to watching TV since we are so use to it making noises. When my husband has to be out really late at nite, I don't want to go to sleep alone sometimes in our bedroom because I think she mostly likes to be in my closet. If she should ever manifest her real self to me for a reason, I think I will die of fright.

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Well, I never actually met a spirit that I would have assigned a sex to, so can't really say much about that. In fact, never actually met one that I would have remotely identified as human.

Interesting.

What are they if not human that you have met? Monsters? Animals?
If so, sounds like you might have contact with the dark side.

With the blatant lack of true distinction between good and evil in the 'living' world, what makes you think that the 'spirit' world would be so different as to have a 'light' and a 'dark' side?

Well before we get into that DL what distinction do you make between good & evil? If you do at all. Do you not believe in the powers of darkness? What would make someone commit an evil act?

I think it would be nearly impossible to actualy designate "this is good" and "this is evil".

I don't think things can be made that black and white, and I think that an attempt to do so would only be harmful (in fact history has shown this to be the case repeatedly).

Do I beleive in the "powers of darkness"? No...

DO I believe that people are inately capable of great evil, or of great goodness? Absolutely.

Why do they do such things? I can't really answer that. The human mind is a terrible and a wondrous thing...there is so much that we don't understand about it still. What makes a sociopath? What makes a generally 'good' person commit an 'evil' act? These are things that we have come quite a way toward understanding, but nowhere near completely.

I think it would be nearly impossible to actualy designate "this is good" and "this is evil".

I don't think things can be made that black and white, and I think that an attempt to do so would only be harmful (in fact history has shown this to be the case repeatedly).


Well I don't understand why you state this. Even pre-k kids know the difference between black & white.. Who determines it for you. You?

Well..... Do you think Charles Manson was born with an abnormal evil brain? Or maybe it could be in the chemistry of his brain that made him do such bad evil acts? I find that hard to believe. How someone can be so evil like Scott Peterson to do such an evil act and feel no remorse and we blame it on the complicated brain. Evil has to originate from somewhere out there. Evil doesn't exist for the sake of it. One of the reasons I think we give in to evil because most of the time it promises us false delight and satisfacation or power over someone or something.
We have to know in our hearts its a wrong evil act but willfully do it anyway. Scott Perterson wanted to be with another woman and knew with his wife out of the picture, he would find happiness with the new one so he killed for it. The children killer, Sharon Smith drowned her children because her new rich boyfriend didn't want childern so she killed to find happiness with the boyfriend, etc and so on. Now I know we cannot determine the heart of a person because of their circumstances or out of ignorance to the law of goodness, but thats has to be in rare cases when one doesn't know if an act is evil. For me the Lord of the Darkness rules only when we give into the power it posesses, which is only as strong as we allow it to be.

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Even pre-k kids know the difference between black & white..

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Ok. And please explain to me how this has *anything* to do with......anything....?

IF the world was simply black and white, then we'd be all set.
Unfortunately, it is not.

Trying to make it so when it is not is one of the things that I would consider evil. If not overtly so, then at least in that it most often leads to evil deeds in the name of 'good'.

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We have to know in our hearts its a wrong evil act but willfully do it anyway.

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Sometimes yes. Sometimes no.
It's *not* black and white. Making it so makes it easier for your conscience and your intellect to accept that we simply punish those who do wrong.

Jade, in my opinion there is no such a thing as good and evil. I personally think its either insanity or greed. These are the first things that lead people commit "evil" stuff, someone simply might want to have something and the only way to get it ...well could be cheating, murder, stealing, whatever... Other times people like sadistic murderesrs or so, such as Son of Sam, etc. Are simply insane, they probably have certain disorder that lead them to commit those things...once again could also have more reasons than that.
Also I think insecurity might be part of it. It relates especially to younger people, sometimes you feel hate for someone and you simply cannot control your mind...might as well murder him or beat him to death....

I watch alot of Law and Order. I remember there was an episode where catholic priest killed a drug dealer, admited it and still refused to confess that he was guilty...funny thing huh? sometimes people think they do the "right thing" always what suits them best...
the story was fiction of course, but is inspired by true story. =)

First of all, I whole-heartedly applaud DL for his posts - very well said. I agree with most of them. I don't personally believe in Good or Evil, more, they are relative as seen through the eyes of the viewer. From one perspective, evil is good and vice versa.

As for what the spirits were, that I encountered? Simply that, spirits. Some take animal forms, some have no set form...some have remotely human-like form...maybe it depends on the viewer, I don't know. I am certainly no expert on this area. Some are tricky, some dangerous, others mischievious, some helpful. I have never met a human spirit.

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