Preserved Topic: how the hell.....

Ok people.... I made something new and I have a question... if you look at the www.webler.tv/test.html you will see different color backgound. Basicly... it doesn't f****g MATCH!!!! I tried everything... I created JPEG, GIF you name it as a backgound tiled color. You can still see the difference!!! How can I fix it!!!!

Don't worry about the whole look.. I just want to figure out how the hell I can fix that color difference..

oh yeah.. the color code is 7D8089



[This message has been edited by Ducati (edited 05-27-2001).]

Personally, I don't see anywhere that an image doesn't match the background. But, I think I know what you're talking about. I used to have the same problem with an older system.

First, make sure that you've got your graphics card set to display true color. Assuming it already is, I would have to guess that it's a problem between the browser and the drivers not interpreting the background hex color and the image colors identically.

There are a couple of ways you can avoid the problem. Use a transparent GIF for your image, allowing the background color to show through...or, even better, use a small (say, 10 pixels by 10 pixels) image consisting only of the 7D8089 color and set it as a background image.

Hope that helps,

I just checked using NN4.76 and IE4, monitor set at 16 bit high colour, and I cant see any differences either.. looks ok to me ~Vp~

Change the color depth setting in your display properties, that will clear it up. It's a freaky little quirk and really bothersome. About all you can do to thwart it is to use a websafe color as your image's background or use transparency if possible. BTW, looked fine to me too (24 bit color).

<oops>didn't read but the first line of Wes' post 'til after my post, what he said...</oops>

Jason

[This message has been edited by JKMabry (edited 05-27-2001).]

'twas cool for me too - mac NN4.7
8 bit, 16 bit; 24 bit

i don't see it either.

but i do see a little background around the asylum text maybe it changes with color depth, i usually use 16 bit but i can goto 32.

Well... maybe my browser is messed up or somthing. This is so damn innoying.

BTW I can see a little background color in asylum logo too.

Oh well... maybe I should just let it go since it might be an issue on my side. Thanks for all your help.

Yo Ducati, did you even try what Wes and I suggested? We had this very same problem at the gurusnetwork, 'member Steve?

Dollars to donuts that's the problem

Jason

no problem here either. i'm using ie5. oh yea, just so you know, you spelled 'designs' wrong.

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blue

Yeah.. I tried that too... I created 10 by 10 gif as a background color and it was the same thing. I changed my res to 24 bit and it looks good now but the thing is that not everyone has their cards set at 24 and it looks like crap on 16 res on my machine.

Damn spelling...thanks blue...

no problem.
i figured that no one would want someone that couldn't spell to design their site...

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blue

That's the thing, I guess -- there's really nothing we can do about others' color-depth settings. But, you can rest in the fact that if a visitor to your site sees messed-up colors, he's surely seeing them everywhere else, too, and won't hold it against you individually.

In fact, he probably won't know the difference. I remember a long time ago when I had no idea about color depths. My crappy old graphics card was set low and I wasn't seeing things, colorwise, as they should have been. But, I just figured that's the way things were and went on about my business ignorant and carefree...

On my screen here at home, I even see a square around the asylum logo at the top of this page. And if you have a screen as bad as the one I've got here you see those things all over the web.

The solutions that already has been suggested is what usually solve the problem :
- use images for background instead of defining the colour in html. (but define it in HTML too, of course)
- Save images as gif and make the background as transparent as possible.

I know webmoney had an article about this, and how not even the "web safe" colours are safe any more. Because in the high colour mode the browers can sometimes interpret colours differently depending if they are in an image or defined in the HTML.
I think their result was that there is only 22 colours which are truly web safe. And most of those were pretty useless brigth greens.

I may be WAY off-base with this, but I have a theory that these color
problems have something to do with the GIF file format --

When I save GIF files from PS5, and try to read them in to Graphics Workshop,
I keep getting "File cannot be read" errors (WTF?? ) Anyway, digging deeper,
I've discovered that GWS thinks my PS5-originated GIF is a "multipart" gif-
ie, an animation...

I believe each GIF in a GIF89 has it's own color palette- if this is true, it may be
the source of everyone's color problems... anyone familiar enough with GIF
file formats/standards to confirm or deny this? again it's just a theory, but
it seems to make sense to me -

I seem to have no problems if I "flatten" the PS image first, before exporting
to GIF.


Hope this helps,

Animated GIFs can have either a global palette for all frames or individual palette for each frame and most GIF animating programs will allow you to choose what palette to use. As far as PhotoShop is concerned, I don't know if it saves GIFs as multipart.

There are some more things you need to keep in mind about how colours are displayed though. At present about 40% of all users have screens with True Color. On these screens the colours are displayed just the way you want them to. However, the majority of all web users has screens which displays High Color. High Color is somewhere in between the 256 colours and the millions of colours. The problem with High Colors usually arise when you mix colours that are defined in an image and colours which are defined in the HTML code. Then even if the colours are supposed to be the same they are displayed differently in the browser. If you have your screen set to High Color you have probably noticed these little discrepancies when you surf the web. To get around this problem you can use small one-coloured images to use for backgrounds. And also try to make the background transparent on your gifs, even if they are displayed on a background which is supposed to be of the same colour.

- http://www.donaldj.com/colours/colourandweb.asp -