Preserved Topic: Commercial proposals (for the inmates Karl and others) (Page 1 of 1)

Karl: You emailed me today but your 'reply to' address just bounces - a problem also noted here:
www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum3/HTML/002467.html

so I'm sort of replying and throwing the topic open for discussion.

You have asked (by email, in the above thread and in the FAQ) about proposing commercial projects in the Asylum. Although the Team Project is for non-commercial projects I can't see why you can't look to hire inmates here. I started a FAQ on this:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/586/

but if that isn't clear then feel free to ask any questions you like. My feelings are that, as the Asylum has always been about a mix of work and play, this wouldn't be a problem if you posted your proposals in Outpatient Counselling (although I wouldn't like to see too much competition for contracts on the board as that could be divisive).

However, I can only give you my opinion (which isn't worth anymore than any other inmates) and it is the Doc's call on this kind of thing.

You might want to sort out your email address too

I'd be interested to here what others thought about this.

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sounds kinda cool, but something about the introduction of a commercial element to the board is a bit forboading.... dunno why...

...not to mention possible legal hassles...


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How 'bout a Want Ad type forum? Let people post commercial opportunites, but keep the bidding on contracts to private emails to the person doing the hiring... That way, the opportunities would be made available, but the competative aspect would be kept off the board...

It's a good way to get the info out there, but if you keep the bidding private, no toes really get stepped on... Once the person offering the job has decided on someone to do it, that person can just state the the position has been filled and no one has to be the wiser...

Surely we can all be adult about it, right?

Bodhisattva: an enlightened being full of generosity who sticks around in this world to show others the way to enlightenment.

bodhi23: That was the way I was thinking (but much better put!!). Its the Doc's call on whether it requires a new forum or can go into OC as long as things are kept 'discrete'.

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My thoughts on commercial work at the asylum:

Lets pretend this wasn't a commercial project. I came to all you, said "hey, who wants to help me design the best damn golf site ever?" We pulled together our resources, the CSS wiz kids helped out, the *incredible* photoshop designers pitched in, we had some XML people give assistance... and so on.


...and later on down the road...
,this awesome site... it starts to generating revenue. What am I to do with all of it (oh my oh my) -- Well I'm going to share it with my ASYLUM buddies of course.

I'm not looking to interview or hire anyone. What I am looking for, is a talented Web Team. Five, ten, maybe even 20 members. Shoot, we could even *VOTE* to the top those members who have contributed the most (are most deserving)... and then (when) there are profits we divy them up based on this status (thats just an idea).

Well, I hope that clears up my intent. So, lets keep this thing much less formal. If you would like to vote for this project please do so here: http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/FaqWiki/shownode.php?id=612&sortby=rating
(i think you can also sign up there as well)

Thanks guys!

Karl: Technically there isn't anything formal for dealing with these matters - one of the reasons I brought up this topic and moved your other message to OC for further dicsussion.

My feelings are that it still falls outside of the boundaries that were established for the group project. If you want more input on your project then add a bit more detail to your thread which is now in OC and we'll throw some ideas and suggestions in on how best to go about such a project (the idea that we could vote for the most deserving people sounds like a bad idea for starters). Working on a commercial project for a potential cut of the money was more popular when the market was more optimistic (I'm sure plenty of people here have done it - I believe the Doc mentioned something along those lines) but I would have thought that you could definitely get a team together from the available talent on a deal like that.

Anyway we can provide specific advice on the project in the thread in OC if you throw more information in. We can keep this thread for a more wide-ranging discussion on whether this kind of thing is OK here

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Sounds like fun.

I sometimes get projects but I have yet to get paid for any of it. I could probably use some help from time to time so I know that I would participate in both "wanting" and "needing" help.



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CPrompt: I imagine that kind of thing would be of general interest so perhaps we should use the thread in OC to come up with ideas and tips on how to get this kind of project up and running (we can add any really good ideas to the FAQ for future reference):
www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum5/HTML/000159.html

In this more cautious climate perhaps this kind of low initial overhead lind of project will become more popular - there are more web designers out there looking for work and there are companies that are looking to keep their startup costs low.

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I am setting up the hosting today... within the next 12-24 hours, azprogolf.com will be active.
Any and all are welcome to jump on board.

Karl

Even given the difference in Karl's intent verses what Emps and I originally took the meaning to be, mightn't there still be reason and/or desire enough to submit commercial ideas for hire here? Keeping the bidding private, of course, as was previously suggested. Not that a separate forum would be necessary, still keeping the info in OC... Anyone else have opinions? (and I know you do!)



Bodhisattva: an enlightened being full of generosity who chooses to remain on this plane in order to help others find enlightenment.

Hmm, I don't think this deserves it's own forum yet, but the "Outpatient Couneslling" forum seems like the place for this, you bet! Concerning work for money, I know I and many others here do this for a living, we're always open for new fun projects! Concerning work for a "share of the profits, down the line", I know I and most of those others I mentioned would probably not be into it, it feels too much like "spec work", a dirty word in our business.

I'll pop on down and check that thread out, certainly if people want to try something like this I'd have no objections, but speaking only for myself, I need to put my hours towards immediately billable jobs.

Your pal, -doc-

hey Doc while ya floating round have a look at the team project idea

I have put a lot of thought into this and it is completely out of the sphere for the team project for the following reasons.

1.The team project was concieved as a way of giving people real world experience of working in this industry that they might not have been able to get through having lack of experience (the good old catch 22 setup, cant get a job no experience,cant get experience without a job), and also providing design services for worthy causes etc. By this i mean sites that will not now or in the future be used for commercial projects.

the ripperreport is a great example of this big enough to be worth on someones resume, and of benefit to the web/artistic community and is being funded by a private individual with no commercial aspect to it.

to be honest i dont think you will get much interest in it from the full time professionals here as their time is money as doc put it. But thats just my thoughts on it.

Your biggest issue is going to be drawing up contracts etc for the design work etc, as people will i assume want to enter this before heading into a project like this.

All said good luck with this but i dont think its something that fits or will fit the team project.

tom

Understandable. No worries.

I appreciate the time spent by all of you who have made consideration for this kind of a "for profit" project. As well, I value the opinions.

From here, I suggest a forum where one could request services of other members. Whether it be for profit or not "MEMBERS SEEKING MEMBERS". My original post was to the photoshop forum because indeed, I was seeking potoshop web designers. I felt a bit strange posting here, because there isn't any forum that appreciates being spammed with job opportunities *YUCK*.

From there, we ended up in the Team Project Area to discuss and to discover that a for profit arrangment doesn't really fit there.

At this point, I am (of course) moving forward with my project.
I am still looking for web designers, client side coders, etc...
If interested, please contact via email:
karl@excelbus.com
or ICQ
22861496

Thank All!

Karl

Ok, given the educational nature of this particular site, I understand your reluctance to condone the commerical/for profit solicitation on the site. I'll let it go.

*runs to the faq to sign up for the team project...*

I don't have any problem with people soliciting work on the site. But I hope that people would as emps has suggested and keep such postings in the outpatient forum. For 2 main reasons:

1- so the other forums do not become cluttered with the posts of people huntining designers.

2- so the other forums do not become cluttered with the posts of people posting thier resumes.

Ive seen other design and arts communities ruined by the continued posting of resumes. I hope that that won't happen here.

<hippieVoice>It would, like, ruin the entire creative vibe of the place man. The whole, like, creative educational flow would be totally messed up.</hippieVoice>



-tiki, cell 478

tikigod: I totally agree. Keeping all the work related stuff in OC would also mean that people knew where to look (so posts don't turn up in any old forum) and where to post (so we don't have to answer 'where would I post this job offer'). To avoid the Asylum being flooded with resumes I created a node in the Work section of the FAQ so people can do that there:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/585/

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